BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[Richard Smith]

These goons also think it defies the laws of physics for a man to put a small bag (containing lunch) into a larger bag (containing curtain rods) for convenience's sake!

No one ever made any such claim.  Oswald was asked about his lunch.  Frazier clearly, and in multiple instances in his testimony confirms that Oswald did not have a lunch that morning.  There is no ambiguity on that point.  Take it up with Oswald if you don't like the facts: 


"I asked him where was his lunch and he said he was going to buy his lunch that day."

[Alan Ford]

It takes a special kind of crazy to see sinister intent in every little bit of minutia
You lot just don't see the forest..

So Mr Chapman can't answer... No surprise there! 

Now! Anyone else want to have a try?

Why did Mr Jenner start with 270?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Nope, Mr Chapman, I'm one of those evidence supporters!

The Lone Nutter cry for years has been, 'If Oswald brought curtain rods rather than the rifle into the building that morning, then show us the money! Where are the damn curtain rods?'

Well, here they are: submitted to Lieutenant J. C. Day for fingerprint analysis on 15 March 1964.

Lone Nutter attempts to explain away
-----------the clearly written 15 March date on the official Crime Scene Search Section document, and
-----------the unimpeachable fact that 2 curtain rods were---------get this-------fingerprinted for comparison with Mr Oswald's known prints
-----------continue to fail!

But by all means, Mr Chapman, keep howling at the moon!

Excuse me, but how are curtain rods found in the garage owned by the Paines, which is where the rods you cited were found, evidence that Oswald brought curtain rods with him to work, to the TSBD?

If he brought rods to work then they should be found/located in the TSBD. Finding curtain rods back at the garage clearly, to me, indicates he didn't bring them, i.e., these rods, to work since they are in the garage.

And for what it's worth, here is a photo of Oswald's room on the eve of the assassination. The rods appear to me to be fine:

[Alan Ford]

No one ever made any such claim.  Oswald was asked about his lunch.  Frazier clearly, and in multiple instances in his testimony confirms that Oswald did not have a lunch that morning.[/b]

Nope! Mr Frazier has stated merely that Mr Oswald told him he did not have a lunch that morning. 

But it's good to see you back, Mr Smith!

How do you account for the fact that
-----------2 curtain rods were submitted by Agent Howlett to Lieutenant J. C. Day for fingerprinting on March 15
-----------Lieutenant Day compared the results with prints of Mr Oswald which he had on file?

 

[Alan Ford]

Excuse me, but how are curtain rods found in the garage owned by the Paines evidence that Oswald brought curtain rods with him to work, to the TSBD?

Do try to keep up, Mr Galbraith! 

The curtain rods found in the garage were found on the evening of 23 March 1964.

The curtain rods submitted to Lieutenant J. C. Day for fingerprinting by Agent Howlett were submitted on 15 March 1964 and not released until 24 March 1964.

Do you accept that 15 March 1964 fell before 23 March 1964?

And that 23 March 1964 fell before 24 March 1964?

If so, what is your explanation for this curious circumstance?

And while you're there:

Why would 2 curtain rods found in the Paine garage be fingerprinted for a match with Mr Oswald's? What would be the point exactly? Was he suspected of excessive interest in home improvement?

 

[Richard Smith]

Nope! Mr Frazier has stated merely that Mr Oswald told him he did not have a lunch that morning. 

But it's good to see you back, Mr Smith!

How do you account for the fact that
-----------2 curtain rods were submitted by Agent Howlett to Lieutenant J. C. Day for fingerprinting on March 15
-----------Lieutenant Day compared the results with prints of Mr Oswald which he had on file?

 

Ruth Paine's testimony was taken on March 23 AT HER HOME.  Paine had made reference to them a week earlier.  During the course of that testimony she confirmed that the curtain rods were still in her garage.  They were never in the TSBD.  That is crooked John-like logic.  It seems obvious why they might be tested for Oswald's prints.  His cover story for making the unexpected trip to get his rifle involved - wait for it - curtain rods.  So they were tested and Oswald had never touched them.  If you believe, however, that he did wrap them up and take them to the TSBD, then where are his prints?  Why would the DPD ever acknowledge any such rods existed in 1964 etc.   Silly.

MR. JENNER -- "Mrs. Paine, are the curtain rods that Mr. Howlett has taken down from the lower of the two shelves the two curtain rods to which you made reference in your testimony before the Commission last week?"

MRS. PAINE -- "Yes, they are."

MR. JENNER -- "And you know of no other curtain rods, do you, in your garage during the fall of 1963?"

MRS. PAINE -- "No, I do not."


MR. JENNER -- "Now, Mrs. Paine, one of the things we said we might see is a package that was in your garage containing curtain rods."

MRS. PAINE -- "Yes--as you recall."

MR. JENNER -- "You said you would leave that package in precisely the place wherever it was last week when you were in Washington, D.C., and have you touched it since you came home?"

MRS. PAINE -- "I have not touched it."

MR. JENNER -- "And is it now in the place it was to the best of your recollection on November 21, 1963?"

MRS. PAINE -- "Yes. .... It is on a shelf above the workbench." .... This, to the best of my recollection, contains venetian blinds."

[Alan Ford]

Ruth Paine's testimony was taken on March 23 AT HER HOME.  Paine had made reference to them a week earlier.  During the course of that testimony she confirmed that the curtain rods were still in her garage. 

Which means you need to explain how there can have been 2 curtain rods in the DPD Crime Scene Search Section between 15 March and 24 March.

[Bill Chapman]

If that's what he indeed told Captain Fritz, then it has a simple explanation, which I've already given earlier in the thread. Do your homework, man! 

Did the bag contain curtain rods?
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bag.htm

[Excerpt]

Oswald told Frazier that the bag he brought to work that day contained curtain rods he obtained from Mrs. Paine. Many conspiracy theorists contend that Oswald did have curtain rods. The question then becomes: could the bag have contained curtain rods and not the rifle, regardless of length?
There were indeed curtain rods in the garage of the Paine residence, but both Mr. and Mrs. Paine testified their curtain rods were still in their garage on the day of the assassination after Oswald had taken his "curtain rods" to work (3H72, 9H448). Oswald did not ask Mrs. Paine if he could use her curtain rods (3H75-6). Oswald did not discuss redecorating his room with his wife (1H68-9). He did not get the needed permission from his landlady, Mrs. Arthur Johnson, or her husband, to hang curtain rods and both testified there was no need for curtain rods in his room as there were curtain rods already up (10H297, 10H302). On the afternoon of the assassination, Allan Grant of LIFE Magazine photographed the curtain rods in place, and that evening a photographer for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram did the same (Dale Myers, With Malice, pp. 52-53). Here is one of the photos he shot, and here is the other.

Captain Fritz testified that there were no curtain rods found in the depository (4H218).

If the bag really contained curtain rods, where did the curtain rods come from and where did they go?

What did Oswald say about the bag?

When questioned by police officers after his arrest, Oswald told them that he did not bring a long bag to work and the only thing he brought to work was a bag lunch (4H217-8). Frazier testified that Oswald did not bring a lunch to work the day of the assassination. He even asked Oswald where his lunch was, since Oswald always brought a lunch, and Oswald told him [Buell] he was going to buy his lunch that day (2H228). Oswald lied about the lunch bag when there was little reason to do so. Oswald lied about bringing a long package, even when the police officers suggested it contained curtain rods (7H305, 4H218).