Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?

[Walt Cakebread]

I did not review Whaley's testimony but I thought he said that when the man in the blue workmans uniform entered his cab at 12:30, the man gave him a destination of 500 block of N Beckley.....but the man told Whaley to pull over to the curb and he got out of the taxi in the 700 block.....

I just checked.....

Mr. WHALEY. When I got to Beckley almost to the intersection of Beckley and Neely, he said, "This will do right here." and I pulled up to the curb
Mr. BELIN. Was that the 500 block of North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; that was the 700 block.
Mr. BELIN. You let him out not at the 500 block but the 700 block of North Beckley?

Since the rooming house was at 1026 N Beckley.....It's obvious that the 500 block was five blocks past the rooming house.

If Lee Oswald had been Whaley's passenger  he wouldn't have wasted time by driving five blocks past the rooming house and the walk back those five blocks.....  One block would have been sufficient if the passenger had been Lee Oswald and he wanted to check the area for signs that the faster than a speeding bullet Dallas police were waiting for him....

[John Iacoletti]

Since the rooming house was at 1026 N Beckley.....It's obvious that the 500 block was five blocks past the rooming house.

If Lee Oswald had been Whaley's passenger  he wouldn't have wasted time by driving five blocks past the rooming house and the walk back those five blocks.....  One block would have been sufficient if the passenger had been Lee Oswald and he wanted to check the area for signs that the faster than a speeding bullet Dallas police were waiting for him....

Right.  That's just a lame attempt from the LN crowd to desperately inject a "consciousness of guilt" because they don't have any real evidence.

[Walt Cakebread]

Right.  That's just a lame attempt from the LN crowd to desperately inject a "consciousness of guilt" because they don't have any real evidence.

Yes I know John....But you'd think that they would be smart enough to see how implausible and poorly reasoned their theory is....

[Bill Brown]

Right.  That's just a lame attempt from the LN crowd to desperately inject a "consciousness of guilt" because they don't have any real evidence.

Yes I know John....But you'd think that they would be smart enough to see how implausible and poorly reasoned their theory is....

Whenever either of you two can show something which casts doubt on the theory that Oswald had the cab go past the rooming house so that he could determine if the authorities were already there, then I'll be glad to have a look.

[Walt Cakebread]

Whenever either of you two can show something which casts doubt on the theory that Oswald had the cab go past the rooming house so that he could determine if the authorities were already there, then I'll be glad to have a look.

Whaley then drove Oswald over to Oak Cliff and, according to his testimony of March 12th, 1963, dropped him at the 500 block of North Beckley. The Warren Commission became incredibly preoccupied with the timings involved in this cab ride because Oswald needed to be at his rooming house at 1:00pm so he could set off on time for his rendezvous with Officer J.D. Tippit. Unfortunately, in William Whaley?s first round of testimony that he gave in Washington D.C. he threw a spanner in the works. He stated under oath that the journey from the Greyhound station to the 500 block of North Beckley took ?nine minutes.? The cab driver of 37 years was adamant that the journey took nine minutes. The Warren Commission had to get Oswald from the bus to the Greyhound station between 12:44pm and 12:47pm. Three minutes to walk three blocks. Remember Whaley stated that Oswald ?slowly? walked up to the taxi so it gives the appearance that Oswald was quite casual in his approach. If Oswald did make the three blocks whilst slowly walking from Elm Street to Lamar in three minutes then a nine minute taxi ride to Oak Cliff would have dropped him at the 500 block of Beckley at 12:56. He now has to walk 5 blocks in less than 4 minutes. The Warren Commission got around this by getting Whaley back on the stand on April 8th, 1963. Whaley now u-turned on his testimony that he gave the previous month. The Commission, prior to this ?new? testimony got Whaley to accompany a Secret Service driver and do a ?new? set of re-enactments. The journey now took, not 9 minutes, but ?a little more than 5 minutes.? Not only did the ?new? re-enactments come in significantly lower than the ?old? set that Whaley had performed with the FBI but the location where Oswald got out had also changed. Whaley now claimed that Oswald got out at the 700 block of North Beckley. Oswald was now in the taxi for three and half minutes less time AND he was closer to the boarding house. Job done. Or so it would seem.  copied from an internet site.....
http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t505-william-whaley-cab-36-and-lee-oswald


Mr. BELIN. Let the record show that the stopwatch was 5 minutes and 30 seconds from the commencement of the ride to the end of the ride, and let the record further show that Dr: Goldberg and Mr. Robert Davis from the Texas attorney general's office and I walked back from the point where the Deponent Whaley told us he let the passenger off at the residence at 1026 North Beckley, and that this walk took 5 minutes and 45 seconds.

The time of nine minutes for the trip may be a bit low also..... It all depends on the speed that Whaley traveled.... 
If Whaley drove 30 MPH he elapsed time for the trip would have been about 11 minutes.....

So for the sake of easy arithmetic let's say the trip from the bus depot to the 700 block of N. Beckley took 10 minutes.

Then Lee would have had to walk back to the rooming house and Belin said they timed that walk at nearly 6 minutes.

Lee arrived at the rooming house at 1:00 pm .....so if he had been Whaley's passenger he would have passed by the rooming house at about 12:52pm... ( accounting for the time for the cab to travel three blocks and  paying the fare and disembarking)

IOW....  Mr Brown believes that the police could have determined that the assassin was the arch villain Lee Harrrrvey Ossssswald, and discovered that the villain was living at 1026 N Beckley and then traveled too that Beckley address in less than 22 minutes..... 

 

[Bill Brown]

Whaley then drove Oswald over to Oak Cliff and, according to his testimony of March 12th, 1963, dropped him at the 500 block of North Beckley. The Warren Commission became incredibly preoccupied with the timings involved in this cab ride because Oswald needed to be at his rooming house at 1:00pm so he could set off on time for his rendezvous with Officer J.D. Tippit. Unfortunately, in William Whaley?s first round of testimony that he gave in Washington D.C. he threw a spanner in the works. He stated under oath that the journey from the Greyhound station to the 500 block of North Beckley took ?nine minutes.? The cab driver of 37 years was adamant that the journey took nine minutes. The Warren Commission had to get Oswald from the bus to the Greyhound station between 12:44pm and 12:47pm. Three minutes to walk three blocks. Remember Whaley stated that Oswald ?slowly? walked up to the taxi so it gives the appearance that Oswald was quite casual in his approach. If Oswald did make the three blocks whilst slowly walking from Elm Street to Lamar in three minutes then a nine minute taxi ride to Oak Cliff would have dropped him at the 500 block of Beckley at 12:56. He now has to walk 5 blocks in less than 4 minutes. The Warren Commission got around this by getting Whaley back on the stand on April 8th, 1963. Whaley now u-turned on his testimony that he gave the previous month. The Commission, prior to this ?new? testimony got Whaley to accompany a Secret Service driver and do a ?new? set of re-enactments. The journey now took, not 9 minutes, but ?a little more than 5 minutes.? Not only did the ?new? re-enactments come in significantly lower than the ?old? set that Whaley had performed with the FBI but the location where Oswald got out had also changed. Whaley now claimed that Oswald got out at the 700 block of North Beckley. Oswald was now in the taxi for three and half minutes less time AND he was closer to the boarding house. Job done. Or so it would seem.  copied from an internet site.....
http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t505-william-whaley-cab-36-and-lee-oswald


Mr. BELIN. Let the record show that the stopwatch was 5 minutes and 30 seconds from the commencement of the ride to the end of the ride, and let the record further show that Dr: Goldberg and Mr. Robert Davis from the Texas attorney general's office and I walked back from the point where the Deponent Whaley told us he let the passenger off at the residence at 1026 North Beckley, and that this walk took 5 minutes and 45 seconds.

The time of nine minutes for the trip may be a bit low also..... It all depends on the speed that Whaley traveled.... 
If Whaley drove 30 MPH he elapsed time for the trip would have been about 11 minutes.....

So for the sake of easy arithmetic let's say the trip from the bus depot to the 700 block of N. Beckley took 10 minutes.

Then Lee would have had to walk back to the rooming house and Belin said they timed that walk at nearly 6 minutes.

Lee arrived at the rooming house at 1:00 pm .....so if he had been Whaley's passenger he would have passed by the rooming house at about 12:52pm... ( accounting for the time for the cab to travel three blocks and  paying the fare and disembarking)

IOW....  Mr Brown believes that the police could have determined that the assassin was the arch villain Lee Harrrrvey Ossssswald, and discovered that the villain was living at 1026 N Beckley and then traveled too that Beckley address in less than 22 minutes.....

IOW....  Mr Brown believes that the police could have determined that the assassin was the arch villain Lee Harrrrvey Ossssswald, and discovered that the villain was living at 1026 N Beckley and then traveled too that Beckley address in less than 22 minutes.....

Nope.  I never said that.

[Walt Cakebread]

Whaley then drove Oswald over to Oak Cliff and, according to his testimony of March 12th, 1963, dropped him at the 500 block of North Beckley. The Warren Commission became incredibly preoccupied with the timings involved in this cab ride because Oswald needed to be at his rooming house at 1:00pm so he could set off on time for his rendezvous with Officer J.D. Tippit. Unfortunately, in William Whaley?s first round of testimony that he gave in Washington D.C. he threw a spanner in the works. He stated under oath that the journey from the Greyhound station to the 500 block of North Beckley took ?nine minutes.? The cab driver of 37 years was adamant that the journey took nine minutes. The Warren Commission had to get Oswald from the bus to the Greyhound station between 12:44pm and 12:47pm. Three minutes to walk three blocks. Remember Whaley stated that Oswald ?slowly? walked up to the taxi so it gives the appearance that Oswald was quite casual in his approach. If Oswald did make the three blocks whilst slowly walking from Elm Street to Lamar in three minutes then a nine minute taxi ride to Oak Cliff would have dropped him at the 500 block of Beckley at 12:56. He now has to walk 5 blocks in less than 4 minutes. The Warren Commission got around this by getting Whaley back on the stand on April 8th, 1963. Whaley now u-turned on his testimony that he gave the previous month. The Commission, prior to this ?new? testimony got Whaley to accompany a Secret Service driver and do a ?new? set of re-enactments. The journey now took, not 9 minutes, but ?a little more than 5 minutes.? Not only did the ?new? re-enactments come in significantly lower than the ?old? set that Whaley had performed with the FBI but the location where Oswald got out had also changed. Whaley now claimed that Oswald got out at the 700 block of North Beckley. Oswald was now in the taxi for three and half minutes less time AND he was closer to the boarding house. Job done. Or so it would seem.  copied from an internet site.....
http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t505-william-whaley-cab-36-and-lee-oswald


Mr. BELIN. Let the record show that the stopwatch was 5 minutes and 30 seconds from the commencement of the ride to the end of the ride, and let the record further show that Dr: Goldberg and Mr. Robert Davis from the Texas attorney general's office and I walked back from the point where the Deponent Whaley told us he let the passenger off at the residence at 1026 North Beckley, and that this walk took 5 minutes and 45 seconds.

The time of nine minutes for the trip may be a bit low also..... It all depends on the speed that Whaley traveled.... 
If Whaley drove 30 MPH he elapsed time for the trip would have been about 11 minutes.....

So for the sake of easy arithmetic let's say the trip from the bus depot to the 700 block of N. Beckley took 10 minutes.

Then Lee would have had to walk back to the rooming house and Belin said they timed that walk at nearly 6 minutes.

Lee arrived at the rooming house at 1:00 pm .....so if he had been Whaley's passenger he would have passed by the rooming house at about 12:52pm... ( accounting for the time for the cab to travel three blocks and  paying the fare and disembarking)

IOW....  Mr Brown believes that the police could have determined that the assassin was the arch villain Lee Harrrrvey Ossssswald, and discovered that the villain was living at 1026 N Beckley and then traveled too that Beckley address in less than 22 minutes.....

In his original affdavit Whaley wrote that he was at the Greyhound bus station at 12:20.....

And he said nothing about a lady asking Whaley to call a cab for her.....  Which would have been unnecessary because the area in front of the Greyhound station was a designated Taxi stand.......

[Walt Cakebread]

Nope.  I never said that.

Really?.....   Didn't you say that Lee Oswald was Whaley's passenger and he told Whaley that he wanted to go to the 500 block of N Beckley?

500 N.Beckley was  FIVE  blocks past the rooming house....  And according to the official tale Lee was in a hurry....and yet he would have wasted time by riding FIVE blocks past the rooming house just so he could see if there were any police waiting for him at the rooming house.... If Lee had been in Whaleys cab he could have given Whaley the 900 block of N.Beckley as his destination and accomplished what you believe he did..( assuring himself that there were no police waiting for him)   He would have saved about eight minutes if he had asked to be transported to the 900 block of N. Beckley.

IOW....He would have arrived at he rooming house at about 12:50  instead of 1:00 pm.....and that would have had him departing the Greyhound bus station at about 12:40....ooops!....Big Problem here....He was on Mc Watters bus at 12:40.

I think the obvious answer is....  Whaley was a bullSitting  cabbie who allowed his BSing to get him involved in a mess that the WC used in a fabricated scenario to frame Lee Oswald.