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[Tim Nickerson]

I'm curious, what do you see as problems ?

I haven't taken the time to examine the trajectory of your upper wound but your lower bullet penetrating an inch or two doesn't seem plausible for a couple of reasons. Why would the bullet only have penetrated an inch or two and what happened to that bullet? The bullet would not have backed out even if it had only penetrated an inch.  Also, there's the bruising of the apex of the right lung that will have to be explained.

[Steve Thompson]

I haven't taken the time to examine the trajectory of your upper wound but your lower bullet penetrating an inch or two doesn't seem plausible for a couple of reasons. Why would the bullet only have penetrated an inch or two and what happened to that bullet? The bullet would not have backed out even if it had only penetrated an inch.  Also, there's the bruising of the apex of the right lung that will have to be explained.

Consider that Richard Lipsey was a witness to the autopsy and he gave this testimony to HSCA in 1978 in which he said, "It was obvious that one bullet entered the back of his head and exited on the right side of his face and pretty well blew away the right side of his head. And then the other two bullets had entered the lower part of his neck and the best of my knowledge, or the best of my memory, one had exited. The other bullet had entered from behind and hit his chest cavity and the bullet went down into the body."

In addition, FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill witnessed the autopsy and in their official report stated that the bullet that entered JFK's back did NOT exit his body.

The "bullet entered JFK's back and exited his throat" scenario, I would argue, is not fact.  It's a *conclusion* posited by Arlen Specter.  I've never been able to find any facts that Arlen Specter gave that actually supported his theory.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/med_testimony/Lipsey_1-18-78/HSCA-Lipsey.htm

https://books.google.com/books?id=GyskeQlVFfkC&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=sibert+o%27neill+bullet+did+not+exit&source=bl&ots=b1_NGpCvYG&sig=zMWLKQQYaDvDTzzbmggs0o4cMCs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_u7P8q4vaAhUU3YMKHWmzBj8Q6AEILDAA#v=onepage&q=sibert%20o'neill%20bullet%20did%20not%20exit&f=false

[Tim Nickerson]

Consider that Richard Lipsey was a witness to the autopsy and he gave this testimony to HSCA in 1978 in which he said, "It was obvious that one bullet entered the back of his head and exited on the right side of his face and pretty well blew away the right side of his head. And then the other two bullets had entered the lower part of his neck and the best of my knowledge, or the best of my memory, one had exited. The other bullet had entered from behind and hit his chest cavity and the bullet went down into the body."

Lipsey says two bullets in the neck, not one in the neck and one in the back. In his drawing for the HSCA, he has them both in the neck, with one of them being above the collar line.  If a bullet went down in the body, how is it possible that it never showed up on any of the X-rays?

In addition, FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill witnessed the autopsy and in their official report stated that the bullet that entered JFK's back did NOT exit his body.

Again, if the bullet never exited, what happened to it? Sibert and O'Neill were not aware of the exit wound in the throat when they dictated their report.

The "bullet entered JFK's back and exited his throat" scenario, I would argue, is not fact.  It's a *conclusion* posited by Arlen Specter.  I've never been able to find any facts that Arlen Specter gave that actually supported his theory.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/med_testimony/Lipsey_1-18-78/HSCA-Lipsey.htm

https://books.google.com/books?id=GyskeQlVFfkC&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=sibert+o%27neill+bullet+did+not+exit&source=bl&ots=b1_NGpCvYG&sig=zMWLKQQYaDvDTzzbmggs0o4cMCs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_u7P8q4vaAhUU3YMKHWmzBj8Q6AEILDAA#v=onepage&q=sibert%20o'neill%20bullet%20did%20not%20exit&f=false

The conclusion that the bullet traversed through the neck and exited the throat did not originate with Specter. It was the Bethesda Pathologists who reached that determination. It's written in their autopsy report.

[Steve Thompson]

Lipsey says two bullets in the neck, not one in the neck and one in the back.

Tim - with apologies, I'm not following you, old boy...

Did you read all of Lipsey's testimony ? 
He clearly says that:
1. The bullet that entered the lower part of the head came out the front of the neck.
2. The other bullet was not found

"LIPSEY: The bullet entered lower part of the head or upper part of the neck. [long pause] To the best of my knowledge, came out the front of the neck. But the one that I remember they spent so much time on, obviously, was the one they found did not come out. There was a bullet -- that's my vivid recollection cause that's all they talked about. For about two hours all they talked about was finding that bullet. To the rest of my recollection they found some particles but they never found the bullet -- pieces of it, trances of it. The best of my knowledge, this is one thing I definitely remember they just never found that whole bullet.

"LIPSEY: Not really, not considering if you want to consider this a head or a neck wound. I consider it more of a neck wound and I believe in their discussions they discussed it more of a neck wound. I consider my wound #1 is the head wound. I consider this wound #2 on a Upper neck/lower part of your head
Q: Was it in the hair, hairline?
LIPSEY: Yes. It was in the hair, but the lower hairline.
Q: It was in the hair?
LIPSEY: Just a minute. Wait. I'm considering where my hairline is today. Like I say, it was just a blood smash area back there. It could have been in the part that you sort of shave right up there. But lower head still, but upper neck. But the third one definitely was the lower neck, upper vertebrae."

[Tim Nickerson]

Tim - with apologies, I'm not following you, old boy...

Did you read all of Lipsey's testimony ? 
He clearly says that:
1. The bullet that entered the lower part of the head came out the front of the neck.
2. The other bullet was not found

"LIPSEY: The bullet entered lower part of the head or upper part of the neck. [long pause] To the best of my knowledge, came out the front of the neck. But the one that I remember they spent so much time on, obviously, was the one they found did not come out. There was a bullet -- that's my vivid recollection cause that's all they talked about. For about two hours all they talked about was finding that bullet. To the rest of my recollection they found some particles but they never found the bullet -- pieces of it, trances of it. The best of my knowledge, this is one thing I definitely remember they just never found that whole bullet.

It is confusing. In the bolded text above he says 'or upper part of the neck". That is where he placed it on the diagram. However ,in the text you posted previously he says "the other two bullets had entered the lower part of his neck". That's how I got "two bullets in the neck, not one in the neck and one in the back".

[Steve Thompson]

It is confusing. In the bolded text above he says 'or upper part of the neck". That is where he placed it on the diagram. However ,in the text you posted previously he says "the other two bullets had entered the lower part of his neck". That's how I got "two bullets in the neck, not one in the neck and one in the back".

Having read Lipsey's testimony many, many times...and his testimony is as follows:
JFK was hit three times
* Bullet 1 entered/exited JFK's head creating the massive Z313 blowout
* Bullet 2 entered the base of JFK's skull at the hairline behind the right ear and exited his throat
* Bullet 3 entered JFK's lower neck/upper back and could not be traced any further

I believe Lipsey's testimony - he has no agenda.
The magic bullet entering JFK's upper back (i.e. "Lipsey's bullet 3") and exiting his throat is patently absurd and illogical.

The FBI recreation with a patch indicating a bullet entrance at JFK's hairline behind the right ear (Lipsey's Bullet 2) and a 2nd patch on JFK's upper back (Lipsey's Bullet 3) is 100% in sync with Lipsey's testimony - but had to be revised after the fact to fit the Lone Nut scenario...

[Tim Nickerson]

Having read Lipsey's testimony many, many times...if I'm understanding him correctly:
* Bullet 1 entered/exited JFK's head creating the massive Z313 blowout

Did you see where on the head that he has the bullet entering? It's way to the right, where no one else described seeing it.

* Bullet 2 entered the base of JFK's skull at the hairline behind the right ear and exited his throat

He said "entered lower part of the head or upper part of the neck." If it struck the skull it would have fragmented,

* Bullet 3 entered JFK's lower neck/upper back and could not be traced any further

That is what he was saying. I agree.

I believe Lipsey's testimony - he has no agenda.

I have no doubt that Lipsey was an honest man with no agenda and that he told things as he remembered them. I just don't believe that his recollection was particularly accurate.

The magic bullet entering JFK's upper back (i.e. "Lipsey's bullet 3") and exiting his throat is patently absurd and illogical.

The single bullet entering JFK's lower neck  (i.e. "Lipsey's bullet 3") and exiting his throat is neither absurd nor illogical. It works.

The FBI recreation with a patch indicating a bullet entrance at JFK's hairline behind the right ear (Lipsey's Bullet 2) and a 2nd patch on JFK's upper back (Lipsey's Bullet 3) is 100% in sync with Lipsey's testimony - but had to be revised after the fact to fit the Lone Nut scenario...

When was it revised and who did the revising?

[Steve Thompson]

Did you see where on the head that he has the bullet entering? It's way to the right, where no one else described seeing it.

He said "entered lower part of the head or upper part of the neck." If it struck the skull it would have fragmented,

That is what he was saying. I agree.

I have no doubt that Lipsey was an honest man with no agenda and that he told things as he remembered them. I just don't believe that his recollection was particularly accurate.

The single bullet entering JFK's lower neck  (i.e. "Lipsey's bullet 3") and exiting his throat is neither absurd nor illogical. It works.

When was it revised and who did the revising?

Tim, i will glady let you have the last word...

God bless.