CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[John Iacoletti]

You're seriously refusing to accept that testimony because Marina didn't use the word "Carcano"!! You know full well Marina didn't even know what a Carcano was.

Exactly.  So what makes you think she saw CE 139?

It's not a game, Denis, it's holding you to the actual evidence and not what you want the evidence to be.

[John Iacoletti]

I haven't met a sane man who knows ALL the important evidence and doesn't find Oswald guilty,

Define "sanity" as "agreeing with 'Mytton', and declare victory.  Typical.

Btw while discussing the Lincoln assassination Richard really ripped Iacoletti a new one and exposed the contrarian for what he is, it was hilarious!

No, it was a false equivalence strawman every step of the way.  Anything to avoid an honest accounting of the actual evidence in the JFK case.

[Gary Craig]

[John Mytton]

Exactly.  So what makes you think she saw CE 139?

It's not a game, Denis, it's holding you to the actual evidence and not what you want the evidence to be.

This is all about making reasonable inferences based on the evidence and seeing where it goes and then creating a plausible narrative.

Oswald defects to the enemy.
Oswald tries to cancel his US citizenship.
Oswald tries to get to Cuba
Oswald's alias is Hidell, a bit like Fidel.
Oswald orders a rifle.
Oswald is photographed with this rifle.
Oswald's camera takes photos of Walkers house.
Oswald has Walkers address marked on a map.
Oswald tries to kill Walker.
Oswald's rifle is wrapped in a blanket in the Paine garage.
Oswald makes an untypical Thursday night stopover.
Oswald takes a long package to work.
Oswald's rifle is missing from the blanket.
Oswald lies about where he puts the package.
Oswald lies about the contents of the package.
Oswald's fresh prints are on one of the rifle rest boxes and also on the box on the floor.
Oswald's rifle exclusively matches the 3 shells in the sniper's nest.
Oswald's rifle is on the same floor.
Oswald's prints are on the rifle.
Oswald's shirt fibers matched the fibers on the rifle.
Oswald leaves immediately.
Oswald catches a bus.
Oswald gets off a bus.
Oswald gets a cab
Oswald gets out of his cab way past his rooming house.
Oswald gets a jacket and revolver.
Oswald kills a cop.
Oswald leaves shells at the scene.
Oswald's revolver exclusively matches shells at the scene.
Oswald leaves his jacket under a car.
Oswald appears to hide from the cops at Brennan's Brewer's shop.
Oswald sneaks into the Texas theater.
Oswald punches a cop.
Oswald punches his wife.
Oswald uses his revolver on the cop.
Oswald resists arrest.
Oswald lies about owning the rifle.
Oswald lies about living at Neely street, the location of the Backyard photos.
Oswald lies about having lunch with the black guys.

As can be seen Oswald is central to this case and either Oswald created ALL this evidence or......?

JohnM

[John Mytton]

I still notice that absolutely nobody has even remotely answered the question posed by this thread, just how did that rifle get there, magic?

JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

This is all about making reasonable inferences based on the evidence and seeing where it goes and then creating a plausible narrative.

The problem arises when you use false, misrepresented, or irrelevant claims to create your "plausible narrative".

Oswald defects to the enemy.
Oswald tries to cancel his US citizenship.
Oswald tries to get to Cuba

Irrelevant to the assassination.

Oswald's alias is Hidell, a bit like Fidel.

No evidence exists that Oswald ever used Hidell as an alias for himself.

Oswald orders a rifle.

Misrepresented.  The actual evidence is that unscientific and biased handwriting "analysis" of two block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy of a 2-inch order blank for a similar but not identical rifle was claimed to be Oswald's.

Oswald is photographed with this rifle.

Misrepresented.  One guy said that he thought he saw a gouge on the rifle in an enlargement of a negative that no longer exists (if it ever did) and that he thought this "tips the scale" in the direction of it being the same rifle.

Oswald's camera takes photos of Walkers house.
Oswald has Walkers address marked on a map.

The camera is not being accused of shooting Walker.  Also irrelevant to the assassination of JFK.

Oswald tries to kill Walker.
Oswald's rifle is wrapped in a blanket in the Paine garage.

Conjecture stated as facts.

Oswald makes an untypical Thursday night stopover.

Irrelevant exaggerated rhetoric.

Oswald takes a long package to work.

Irrelevant to the assassination with no evidence as to what was in the bag.

Oswald lies about where he puts the package.
Oswald lies about the contents of the package.

Conjecture stated as facts.

Oswald's fresh prints are on one of the rifle rest boxes and also on the box on the floor.

Misrepresented rhetoric.  There's no evidence that these were "rifle rest boxes".

Oswald's rifle exclusively matches the 3 shells in the sniper's nest.
Oswald's rifle is on the same floor.

"Oswald's rifle" is conjecture stated as a fact.

Oswald's prints are on the rifle.

Misrepresented.  There were some prints by the trigger guard that were useless for identification purposes and a single partial palmprint turned up a week later on an index card.

Oswald's shirt fibers matched the fibers on the rifle.

Misrepresented.  "Matched" in this context doesn't mean to the exclusion of any other shirt, and it's not even known what exact shirt Oswald was wearing at the time of the assassination.

Oswald leaves immediately.
Oswald catches a bus.
Oswald gets off a bus.
Oswald gets a cab
Oswald gets out of his cab way past his rooming house.

All irrelevant rhetoric.

Oswald gets a jacket and revolver.

Conjecture stated as facts.  There is no evidence whatsoever that he "got a revolver" at the rooming house.

Oswald kills a cop.
Oswald leaves shells at the scene.
Oswald's revolver exclusively matches shells at the scene.
Oswald leaves his jacket under a car.
Oswald appears to hide from the cops at Brennan's shop.
Oswald sneaks into the Texas theater.
Oswald punches a cop.
Oswald uses his revolver on the cop.
Oswald resists arrest.
Oswald lies about owning the rifle.
Oswald lies about living at Neely street, the location of the Backyard photos.
Oswald lies about having lunch with the black guys.

All conjecture stated as facts.

Lists of claims without actual evidence to back them up are not "reasonable inferences" and certainly not evidence.

[Gary Craig]

I still notice that absolutely nobody has even remotely answered the question posed by this thread, just how did that rifle get there, magic?

JohnM

The WC said LHO carried the broken down 34 inch Carcano into work in 27 inch homemade paper gun case.

I guess if you're asking how the gun got there you're not buying that story either.

[John Iacoletti]

I still notice that absolutely nobody has even remotely answered the question posed by this thread, just how did that rifle get there, magic?

That's because nobody knows.

Making up an answer like "Oswald brought it in a paper bag" may be a satisfying answer to some, but that doesn't make it true.