CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Jack Trojan]

Just ask Fritz how many hulls he tossed onto the floor.

[Walt Cakebread]

Just ask Fritz how many hulls he tossed onto the floor.

The hulls were there before Fritz was at the scene....  Mooney said that he spotted the spent shells and then notified the officers on the street below by calling down to them....

[Jack Trojan]

The hulls were there before Fritz was at the scene....  Mooney said that he spotted the spent shells and then notified the officers on the street below by calling down to them....

According to Deputy Sheriff Faulkner, Deputy Sheriff Mooney, & Tom Alyea, Fritz walked over to the 3 hulls in a tight grouping near the window in the SN and picked them up WITH HIS BARE HANDS and put them in his pocket. He later returned to the SN with a rookie cop to photograph the crime scene, then tossed the hulls onto the floor in the staged (more favorable) arrangement you see in the photo. What crime scene detective leading an investigation of the crime of the century would do that?

[Colin Crow]

According to Deputy Sheriff Faulkner, Deputy Sheriff Mooney, & Tom Alyea, Fritz walked over to the 3 hulls in a tight grouping near the window in the SN and picked them up WITH HIS BARE HANDS and put them in his pocket. He later returned to the SN with a rookie cop to photograph the crime scene, then tossed the hulls onto the floor in the staged (more favorable) arrangement you see in the photo. What crime scene detective leading an investigation of the crime of the century would do that?

From Luke Mooney Oral History with Sixth Floor Museum

Gary: Fritz was there? You saw Fritz down there?
Luke: (0:19:58) (nodding) Yeah, Will Fritz was there. So, here they came with all
that bunch of men behind him (chuckling)… that worked for him in vice and there was
four or five of them. And so, here they come, and he was the first man… I told him how
to come in. I was standing over there and sealed it off to let nobody in there, and he came
on over there. And he was the first man who reached down and picked up one of the
spent shells to see what caliber it was and then laid it back down in the exact spot, and so,
I left him then and Gene Boone… we had sent for some searchlights because we didn’t
have no lights. It wasn’t real dark up there because of the window light… daylight, but
anyway, we needed some searchlights to shine between them pallets. So, when we got
the searchlights, them little ‘ole hand lights—they sent them across the street from the
sheriff’s office—we was standing there, and Boone had the light in his hand. And he
shined it up in there, and so, that’s when we seen the butt of the rifle. So, one of Will
Fritz’s men was the one that pulled the gun out.

[Walt Cakebread]

From Luke Mooney Oral History with Sixth Floor Museum

Gary: Fritz was there? You saw Fritz down there?
Luke: (0:19:58) (nodding) Yeah, Will Fritz was there. So, here they came with all
that bunch of men behind him (chuckling)… that worked for him in vice and there was
four or five of them. And so, here they come, and he was the first man… I told him how
to come in. I was standing over there and sealed it off to let nobody in there, and he came
on over there. And he was the first man who reached down and picked up one of the
spent shells to see what caliber it was and then laid it back down in the exact spot, and so,
I left him then and Gene Boone… we had sent for some searchlights because we didn’t
have no lights. It wasn’t real dark up there because of the window light… daylight, but
anyway, we needed some searchlights to shine between them pallets. So, when we got
the searchlights, them little ‘ole hand lights—they sent them across the street from the
sheriff’s office—we was standing there, and Boone had the light in his hand. And he
shined it up in there, and so, that’s when we seen the butt of the rifle. So, one of Will
Fritz’s men was the one that pulled the gun out.

we needed some searchlights to shine between them pallets. So, when we got
the searchlights, them little ‘ole hand lights—they sent them across the street from the
sheriff’s office—we was standing there, and Boone had the light in his hand. And he
shined it up in there, and so, that’s when we seen the butt of the rifle.

Very interesting post, Mr Crow..... Mooney confirms several points about how Boone and Weitzman discovered the rifle....

 Mooney said that it wasn't dark in the area because the sunlight shining in illuminated the area....BUT... "we needed some searchlights to shine between them pallets."   ..... "Boone had the light in his hand. And he shined it up in there, and so, that’s when we seen the butt of the rifle."

You've seen the official in situ photos....Is the carcano between any pallets in the photos?....And  would Boone have needed a search light to see the rifle as it is seen in the in situ photos?   Weitzman said that he was down on the floor looking beneath a pallet when he and Boone spotted the rifle lying on the floor beneath a pallet with boxes of books stacked on top ... There was a gap between rows of boxes and at least one box on top of the gap which covered the span between the rows.

Boone moved that box that was covering the top of the cavern and shined his light down into the dark recess...anf he saw a small portion of the butt of the rifle beneath the pallet....Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to the rifle and recorded that it was 15 feet 4 inches from the wall....The rifle in the in situ photos is about 13 feet from the noth wall....

Clearly the official in situ photos are not accurate....But the "investigators" ( conspirators) had to put that rifle closer to the aisle at the top of the stairs so the evidence would support their tale about their patsy charging by the area and hastily dumping the rifle.

[Walt Cakebread]

According to Deputy Sheriff Faulkner, Deputy Sheriff Mooney, & Tom Alyea, Fritz walked over to the 3 hulls in a tight grouping near the window in the SN and picked them up WITH HIS BARE HANDS and put them in his pocket. He later returned to the SN with a rookie cop to photograph the crime scene, then tossed the hulls onto the floor in the staged (more favorable) arrangement you see in the photo. What crime scene detective leading an investigation of the crime of the century would do that?

I believe that Mooney spotted only TWO spent shells....  Later when the "investigators" ( conspirators) realized that the witnesses were reporting hearing THREE shots they added a third shell.....And it very well could have been Fritz who was using a little prestidigitation who added the third shell.....As you've posted here.

[Jerry Freeman]

 

I believe that Mooney spotted only TWO spent shells....

Three spent shells in all were [reportedly] found at the 'Sniper's Nest' therefore only three shots were fired at the President. With remarkably incredible logic like that..it's a wonder more crimes aren't solved.

[Walt Cakebread]

  Three spent shells in all were [reportedly] found at the 'Sniper's Nest' therefore only three shots were fired at the President. With remarkably incredible logic like that..it's a wonder more crimes aren't solved.

I believe that there were only TWO spent shells when Mooney discovered the hidden loafers nook.....( they imagined it to be a "sniper's nest") but it wasn't long before they realized that the original two shot scenario could not be sustained, because witnesses were reporting hearing more than two shots, and more that two bullet strikes were being reported.  Fritz added a third spent shell when he picked up two and threw down three.....

The original hoax scenario called for Lee Oswald to have shot twice at JFK and missed.......So there were only two shells planted beneath the window....

There were at least five bullet strikes .....four in the Lincoln, three stuck the victims....and another hit the chrome molding near the rear view mirror....and another hit the ground near the sewer cover....   and James Teague was struck by a bullet, or a fragment.