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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #600 on: February 16, 2020, 01:08:11 AM »
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I'm sure that I've seen those two bottom photos before but I never realized that they were of the location of where the rifle was found. Looking at the one on the left, it's plain to see how foolish Walt's claim is. Of course , it's possible that he's been a frail weakling himself all of his life and can't imagine how a 24 year old guy could have managed to handle an 8 lb rifle the way that Oswald did.

You mean the way he disassembled then reassembled the rifle then took 3 hurried shots and managed 2 hits, including a head shot using a wonky scope, then ditched it neatly between some boxes without getting a single print on the rifle? Maybe you should address how Oswald managed that first. Was he a ghost?

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #601 on: February 16, 2020, 02:27:14 AM »
The revolver was not ordered two months before the rifle was.  Jan 27, 1963 was the date that Oswald filled out the coupon, not the date that he mailed it.

How do you know what date it was mailed?
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #602 on: February 16, 2020, 02:39:26 AM »
How do you know what date it was mailed?

That's a fair question. I don't actually know the date it was mailed. How does Jerry Freeman know what date it was mailed? Have you asked him?

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #603 on: February 16, 2020, 02:48:13 AM »
Walt just went from "down four feet" to "over two feet". Some of this is stuff in his mind that he can picture but can't effectively communicate.



This policeman shows how someone could lean over the row of low-height boxes and place the rifle. Might have put an elbow on top of a box so as to reach the floor.



Looking from West to East. Row nearest to stairway at camera-left.
Rifle removed. Tall stacks of pallleted book cartons at camera-right.
 


Looking from North to South. Rifle had to be lifted over row of boxes in foreground to be lowered
to floor. The boxes there (three at camera-left foreground) were only stacked two-high.



Looking from West to East. Row nearest to stairway at camera-left.
Rifle removed. Tall stacks of pallleted book cartons at camera-right.

The aisle that Lee Oswald allegedly dashed through can be seen at camera left....And the rifle was found on the floor beneath the pallet that is visible at camera right.  Reviiew Seymour Weitzman's affidavit and testimony about shining his flash light beneath that pallet ( which was buried beneath boxes of books at the time that he and Boone discovered the rifle lying on the floor) 

Now how the hell could the skinny 5' 9" Lee Oswald reach across the boxes from the aisle and place the 8 pound rifle down beneath the pallet with the boxes of books stacked in it and then covered the top of the crevasse between the boxes by staking boxes on top of the boxes.   

I'm sure that I've seen those two bottom photos before but I never realized that they were of the location of where the rifle was found. Looking at the one on the left, it's plain to see how foolish Walt's claim is. Of course , it's possible that he's been a frail weakling himself all of his life and can't imagine how a 24 year old guy could have managed to handle an 8 lb rifle the way that Oswald did.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #604 on: February 16, 2020, 02:49:03 AM »
You mean the way he disassembled then reassembled the rifle then took 3 hurried shots and managed 2 hits, including a head shot using a wonky scope, then ditched it neatly between some boxes without getting a single print on the rifle? Maybe you should address how Oswald managed that first. Was he a ghost?

Hi Jack, what ya drinking? Could you break down each of those claims please? He disassembled the rifle in the Paine's garage. Was that a difficult thing to do? He reassembled it somewhere in the TSBD. Is reassembling a Carcano a difficult task? Have you done it before? Elaborate on what you mean by 'hurried shots". How hurried were they? Was the scope wonky when Oswald used the rifle to shoot Kennedy? How do you know? Is it uncommon for identifiable prints to not be found on weapons suspected to have been used in a crime?

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #605 on: February 16, 2020, 03:06:00 AM »
Hi Jack, what ya drinking? Could you break down each of those claims please? He disassembled the rifle in the Paine's garage.

There’s no evidence that the C2766 rifle was disassembled and reassembled. Or ever in the Paine’s garage.

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Was that a difficult thing to do?

Without a screwdriver, yes.

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #606 on: February 16, 2020, 03:13:26 AM »
Hi Jack, what ya drinking? Could you break down each of those claims please? He disassembled the rifle in the Paine's garage. Was that a difficult thing to do? He reassembled it somewhere in the TSBD. Is reassembling a Carcano a difficult task? Have you done it before? Elaborate on what you mean by 'hurried shots". How hurried were they? Was the scope wonky when Oswald used the rifle to shoot Kennedy? How do you know? Is it uncommon for identifiable prints to not be found on weapons suspected to have been used in a crime?

I'm drinking my usual, JD and H2O. And whatever you are drinking is preventing you from having a clue what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter where or when LHO disassembled/reassembled the rifle, only that you claim he did before taking 3 shots at JFK. And guess what is required for that? Touching the rifle over and over and over again, to the point where it would be really dumb to think that Oswald wouldn't have left a single print somewhere on the many, many places where he handled it during disassembly/reassembly. Personally, I think it's all bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns and LHO never touched the MC. The evidence, or lack there of, convinced me.

Is it uncommon for identifiable prints to not be found on weapons suspected to have been used in a crime?

Sure, you keep telling yourself that.
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #607 on: February 16, 2020, 03:14:07 AM »
You mean the way he disassembled then reassembled the rifle then took 3 hurried shots and managed 2 hits, including a head shot using a wonky scope, then ditched it neatly between some boxes without getting a single print on the rifle? Maybe you should address how Oswald managed that first. Was he a ghost?

disassembled then reassembled the rifle

Life can turn on a dime  ;)
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #607 on: February 16, 2020, 03:14:07 AM »