CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Jerry Freeman]

"Corrosion inside the barrel" doesn't mean it was from rust and non-use.

    "They result from corrosion in the barrel due to the hot gases and possibly
     corrosive primer mixtures in the cartridges used, and primarily again they
     result from wear, that is, an eroding of the barrel through friction due to the
     firing of cartridges, bullets through it."
          -- Warren Report, USGPO, p550

Whoever wrote that must have had corrosion of the brain. Rust and debris in the barrel of CE 139 can only indicate that it had not been fired that day. Some other rifle must have been used to shoot from that building.

[Walt Cakebread]

Whoever wrote that must have had corrosion of the brain. Rust and debris in the barrel of CE 139 can only indicate that it had not been fired that day. Some other rifle must have been used to shoot from that building.

    "They result from corrosion in the barrel due to the hot gases and possibly
     corrosive primer mixtures in the cartridges used, and primarily again they
     result from wear, that is, an eroding of the barrel through friction due to the
     firing of cartridges, bullets through it."
          -- Warren Report, USGPO, p550


Whoever wrote that must have had corrosion of the brain.

Actually the corrosion occurs because the the extremely hot gasses from the burning propellant vaporizes and protective oil in the barrel and leaves it susceptible  to the humidity in the air which combines with the corrosive film that was deposited by the burning propellant.   That corrosion occurs more rapidly in a high humidity area.   

Rust and debris in the barrel of CE 139 can only indicate that it had not been fired that day.

Bulls eye!!.....  You're absolutely right!

Some other rifle must have been used to shoot from that building.

The physical evidence reveals that there were no shots fired from the SE corner window.   The bullet that hit Connally  MAY?  have been fired from the west end of the TSBD...

[Walt Cakebread]

Who said there was "rust and debris in the barrel of CE 139"?

 The FBI....  They would not test the rifle until the bore had been cleaned and oiled.     They were smart enough to realize that test firing that carcano with the dirty corroded barrel could be very dangerous.   Because the bullet may become lodged in the barrel before it can move down the barrel....and then the pressure from the burning gasses causes extremely high pressure in the firing chamber which could rupture the receiver and seriously injure or kill the user.  They sent the carcano to their armory to have it cleaned, oile, and inspected before they tested it.

[Jerry Freeman]

The FBI stated all this somewhere? Right?

Yeah...somewhere.

[Jerry Freeman]

    The Persistent A. Ernest Jenner Jr.
He is gone now but still persists here------------

Mr. JENNER - I don't wish to be persistent, but was there anything that you saw about the duffelbags that lead you at that time to even think for an instant that there was anything long, slim and hard like a pole?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - Or a gun, a rifle?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - No? Nothing?

Jenner didn't wish to be persistent? But did he ever persist ...

Mr. JENNER - Was there a rifle packed in the back of the car?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - You didn't see any kind of weapon?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - Firearm, rifle, pistol, or otherwise?
Mrs. PAINE - No; I saw nothing of that nature.
Mr. JENNER - Did you drive them to your home?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - Were the materials and things in your station wagon unpacked and placed in your home?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; immediately.
Mr. JENNER - Did you see that being done, were you present?
Mrs. PAINE - I helped do it; yes.
Mr. JENNER - Did you see any weapon on that occasion?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - Whether a rifle, pistol or--
Mrs. PAINE - No.

All right Ruth--Let's try it a different way...Let's play hide the rifle in the blanket

Mr. JENNER - For the record, I am placing the rifle in the folded blanket as Mrs. Paine folded it. This is being done without the rifle being dismantled. May the record show, Mr. Chairman, that the rifle fits well in the package from end to end, and it does not--
Mrs. PAINE - Can you make it flatter?
Mr. JENNER - No; because the rifle is now in there.
Mrs. PAINE - I just mean that--
Mr. JENNER - Was that about the appearance of the blanket wrapped package that you saw on your garage floor?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; although I recall it as quite flat.
Mr. JENNER - Flatter than it now appears to be?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes....

Mr. JENNER - Now directing your attention to the rifle itself, which is Commission Exhibit 189, when did you first see that rifle, if you have ever seen--
Mrs. PAINE - I saw a rifle I judge to have been the same one at the police station on the afternoon of November 22

The prosecution asks the witness to identify a weapon that they have already shown her as being in evidence...what was up with that?
[Mr Jenner meant to say CE 139]

Representative BOGGS - Did you see the rifle that he had in the room in your home?
Mrs. PAINE - In the garage, no.
Representative BOGGS - In the garage, you never saw one?
 Mrs. PAINE - I never saw that rifle at all until the police showed it to me in the station on the 22d of November.

Damn it Ruth...What good were you?

[Izraul Hidashi]

Yeah I was wrong, your posts don't imply Oswald was innocent they scream from the top of their lungs that Oswald was innocent.




A man is the sum of his actions, of what he has done, of what he can do, Nothing else.
John Galsworthy

Of course, when you go to the lengths of separating evidence into two parts just so you can present what you perceive to be  less incriminating evidence to the court is a stunt only a naive Defence Attorney would try and pull off.

My brain works!

Both the Warren Commission and a decade and a half later the HSCA studied the evidence and concluded that Oswald was guilty, whereas you and the rest of the CT's haven't concluded squat. A jury can only decide a case with evidence and the Magic Unknown Boogeyman who was everywhere but nowhere is simply laughable.

JohnM

quote: "Both the Warren Commission and a decade and a half later the HSCA studied the evidence and concluded that Oswald was guilty, whereas you and the rest of the CT's haven't concluded squat."  Really? Let's look at what the HSCA actually concluded.

                                                                  HSCA & THE BALLISTICS TEST

The House Select Committee on Assassinations Firearms panel test-fired C-2766, and could not match its test bullets with either CE-399 (the magic bullet) or the test bullets fired by the FBI from what was allegedly the same rifle (CE-139).  From Volume I, page 464 of the HSCA hearings: 

        Mr. MCDONALD. Did you compare the FBI test bullets with your own test bullets that you recently fired out of 139?
        Mr. BATES. Yes, we also made a microscopic comparison of that.
        Mr. MCDONALD. And what did the comparison show?
        Mr. BATES. The results of this examination indicated that we could not determine whether the FBI test bullets were, in
        fact, fired from the rifle, CE-139.
        Mr. McDONALD. And would you please explain your answer?
        Mr. BATES. Based upon the microscopic comparison, there were differences  in the  individual  identifying
        characteristics  found within the land and groove impressions on the FBI test bullets and on the panel test bullets.

Hmmm... Which part of that say's Oswald was guilty?


                                                             THE CONDITION OF THE SIXTH FLOOR RIFLE

The experts from the US Army and the FBI who had tested the rifle discovered that it was actually not usable in its original state:

    Shims had to be applied to the telescopic sight before the rifle could be aimed.
    Even after the telescopic sight had been repaired, it proved unreliable and inaccurate.
    The condition of both the bolt and the trigger pull meant that the rifle could not be aimed accurately.

The rifle discovered on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository could not have caused any of the wounds to Kennedy, Connally or Tague, except by accident.

Hmmm..  So the HSCA concluded Oswald was guilty, after they found the rifle wasn't even usable? How does that work?


                                                                          NOTES FROM THE ABOVE

“They [the US Army marksmen] could not sight the weapon in using the telescope, and no attempt was made to sight it in using the iron sight. We did adjust the telescopic sight by the addition of two shims, one which tended to adjust the azimuth, and one which adjusted an elevation”: Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.443.

According to the FBI’s firearms specialist, “Every time we changed the adjusting screws to move the crosshairs in the telescopic sight in one direction it also affected the movement of the impact or the point of impact in the other direction. … We fired several shots and found that the shots were not all landing in the same place, but were gradually moving away from the point of impact.”: Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.405.

Problems with the bolt and the trigger mechanism: “There were several comments made — particularly with respect to the amount of effort required to open the bolt. … There was also comment made about the trigger pull … in the first stage the trigger is relatively free, and it suddenly required a greater pull to actually fire the weapon.”: Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.449.

“The pressure to open the bolt was so great that that we tended to move the rifle off the target.”: ibid., p.451.

If I was one of those experts, I don't think I would have concluded guilt based on a rifle that was too spombleprofglidnoctobunsty to even work right. But Oswald swallowers love to swallow.

So the actual experts who tested the rifle stated it was a piece of spombleprofglidnoctobuns, too worn out to even work right. But how could that be if the rifle sent to A. Hidell was barely used? What's the sorry ass excuse for that, Oswald Swallowers?

How does a lightly used 36 inch 5 pound rifle turn into a 40.02 inch 8 pound barely usable rifle? What kind of nonsense is that? But go ahead, explain it.

The order showed a 36 inch 5 pound rifle was sent to A. Hidell. The ad in the paper said it was for a 36 inch 5 pound rifle. And yet a 40.02 inch 8 pound piece of spombleprofglidnoctobuns rifle was found instead. So explain that.

And why were the 2 rifle slings different? The 40.02 inch 8 pound rifle has a leather sling with a pad. And yet the backyard rifle had nylon sling with no pad.  Maybe an Oswald Swallower can explain that!

How could Oswald, who couldn't shoot for spombleprofglidnoctobuns, have shot Kennedy in the front from behind? The bullet that killed Kennedy came from the front. I'd bet one of the 2 men positioned in the pergola behind Zapruder with rifles would know.

Maybe take a magnify glass to the Moorman photo and point out which of those 2 (boogeymen) were Oswald, since he's so guilty.

The government drops ridiculous nonsensical goo, and the swallowers suck it all up. And not one of them is gonna explain any of it, because they can't. There is no explanation, except that Oswald was being framed.

"But the habitual lying government would never lie. I believe them." lol

If a swallower wants to try explaining it away, I'd sure love to hear it. I can just see it now...

"Isn't it obvious... the rifle was magic too, just like the bullets. Oswald received the magic 36 inch rifle, then after he shot it, the magic rifle turned into a 40.02 inch rifle. To cover for Oswald, so he could buy a coke before making it home through presidential motorcade in 30 minutes riding the bus and kill a cop."  : /

But your brain works...

[Walt Cakebread]

The FBI said the inside of the barrel had rust and debris?

Probably a good precaution for anyone considering firing a rifle not their own for the first time.

The FBI stated all this somewhere? Right?

The experts from the US Army and the FBI who had tested the rifle discovered that it was actually not usable in its original state:


The rifle was NOT USABLE ......    Do you understand what this means?      It means that the Carcano was NOT the murder weapon!!

[Walt Cakebread]

Too bad that doesn't prove anything except that its impossible. When did you decide to switch sides? Oh, it doesn't matter, I knew you would. I accept your apology in advance

The village idiot wrote:   "At day's end it comes down to the ability of the shooter to adapt and make the weapon useable if only for the time period required to accomplish a given task."

Even an expert sharpshooter would be a total dud in attempting to score any hits on a 9" paper plate at 50 yards with a full clip (6 rounds)  in  the TSBD carcano. 

And thank you Chappie, for proving once again that you have a prominent place in the village.