The number one CT nightmare question ...

[Jorn Frending]

In addition to my first question a similar secondary question applies:

Would a large scale preplanned conspiracy rely on Ruby to finish off Oswald the way he did, taking such risks including that Oswald may survive and later being able to defend himself?

You either believe this or without doubt you must come up with an alternative theory involving that something HAD to go wrong somewhere and that Oswald SHOULD have been finished off earlier on ...

You have to choose one of those two possibilities ...

[Michael O'Brian]

In addition to my first question a similar secondary question applies:

Would a large scale preplanned conspiracy rely on Ruby to finish off Oswald the way he did, taking such risks including that Oswald may survive and later being able to defend himself?

You either believe this or without doubt you must come up with an alternative theory involving that something HAD to go wrong somewhere and that Oswald SHOULD have been finished off earlier on ...

You have to choose one of those two possibilities ...

I would not rule out an attempt on Oswald life being missed around the Plazza area , but two days later Ruby the Jew shot Oswald the communist in the stomach with the gun pointing upwards, this was a classic assassination tactic, Levelle in white and Oswald all in black for the camera event, they knew he was not going to talk again, exactly what Ruby implied by the world would never know his true intent is something to be explored.

But perhaps another attempt on Oswald life being averted by Officer Tippet in Oak cliffe  should also be looked into

[Jorn Frending]

As a third question we can consider that a completely innocent Oswald was set up in the Tippit shooting by a large scale conspiracy either preplanned or improvised.

How could conspirators know that a totally oblivious Oswald would go to the Texas Theater and watch a movie? He could have gone anywhere or simply stayed on Dealey Plaza.

Yes, only a woman could have kept Oswald out of sight in the TSBD rather than him going out on the street watching the president of the United States, and only a woman could make him go the theater rather than him watching the assassination news in the rooming house. Yet he could have been late, failed to have brought his gun or simply having bragged to friends of his date of a lifetime. No, this would all be too risky.

Improvising creates similar problems, "hey we've got this dead cop here-let's blame it on Oswald, he's nearby". Well, his trip to the theater could simply have been documented by witnesses. Also too risky and you didn't need it in the first place.

Any serious CT should come up with an alternative theory regarding Oswald being totally innocent.

[Ray Mitcham]

As a third question we can consider that a completely innocent Oswald was set up in the Tippit shooting by a large scale conspiracy either preplanned or improvised.

How could conspirators know that a totally obnoxious Oswald would go to the Texas Theater and watch a movie? He could have gone anywhere or simply stayed on Dealey Plaza.

John, Osdlwad could have been under orders to meet a contact in the cinema. You may recall that he was seen moving around the theatre costing various people. Why would he do this?

Yes, only a woman could have kept Oswald out of sight in the TSBD rather than him going out on the street watching the president of the United States, and only a woman could make him go the theater rather than him watching the assassination news in the rooming house. Yet he could have been late, failed to have brought his gun or simply having bragged to friends of his date of a lifetime. No, this would all be too risky.

A very naive point of view, IMO.

Improvising creates similar problems, "hey we've got this dead cop here-let's blame it on Oswald, he's nearby". Well, his trip to the theater could simply have been documented by witnesses. Also too risky and you didn't need it in the first place.

Any serious CT should come up with an alternative theory regarding Oswald being totally innocent.

Yes, an alternative theory could be that he was acting under instructions and became the fall guy, thus he could easily have been totally innocent.

[Richard Smith]

There is no logical way that a conspiracy to frame Oswald could have worked without the cooperation of Oswald himself.  At a minimum, Oswald would have to agree to take the job at the TSBD, stay there until JFK could be brought to Dallas, show up on 11.22, carry a large bag, not be in the company of anyone else or be photographed on the street giving him an alibi at the moment of the assassination, and flee like the place was on fire moments after the assassination.  These actions could not be be left to chance and only ensured if Oswald was an active participant in the conspiracy (i.e. at least to the extent of following instructions).  Which is why many CTers appear to have given up on the notion of Oswald as an innocent Mr. Magoo-like character stumbling into trouble time and again.  Instead Oswald is playing some unspecified role - maybe as the shooter or maybe as some gullible Gomer Pyle type who gets caught up in the plot.  Of course there is zero credible evidence of Oswald's involvement with anyone else, but it at least makes more narrative sense for Oswald to have been playing some active role in the fantasy conspiracy.

[Jorn Frending]

John, Osdlwad could have been under orders to meet a contact in the cinema. You may recall that he was seen moving around the theatre costing various people. Why would he do this?
A very naive point of view, IMO.

Yes, an alternative theory could be that he was acting under instructions and became the fall guy, thus he could easily have been totally innocent.

I'm debating the idea that Oswald did not know anything what
so ever.

Once you believe that Oswald was in fact involved in something then this is a totally different discussion, and I do not then regard Oswald as "totally" innocent.

[Richard Smith]

I'm debating the idea that Oswald did not know anything what
so ever.

Once you believe that Oswald was in fact involved in something then this is a totally different discussion, and I do not then regard Oswald as "totally" innocent.

There is at least one nut here who suggests Oswald was led to believe there would a staged attempt on JFK (but not actually an assassination) that would be used as a pretext for Oswald to seek asylum in Cuba to spy on Castro.  It's laughable nonsense, but in this fantasy scenario Oswald is not only innocent but a gullible hero double crossed by the conspirators.   It is tin foil hat kookery but one in which Oswald is technically "innocent" while playing an active role in the conspiracy because his participation is achieved via a false premise (i.e. that he is working as an agent behalf of the US rather as part of an assassination team).

[Louis Earl]

"If you believe this you also have to believe that this costly big scale conspiracy would willingly take the risk that Oswald could be literally anywhere in company with anybody in such a way that he could not be set up."

I've always thought that LHO was in the 2nd floor lunchroom by himself because he WAS INSTRUCTED to be anywhere so long as he was alone.  If so, yes, he should have wondered why but maybe he didn't.