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Online John Mytton

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #176 on: July 04, 2019, 01:41:50 AM »
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Huh, I'm guessing you're replying to me? the pie charts come from the Dealey Plaza eyewitnesses themselves, there is CT(Thompson) and LNer(HSCA McAdams) pie charts and apart from a few different interpretations, the numbers are basically the same.

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #176 on: July 04, 2019, 01:41:50 AM »


Offline Tom Scully

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #177 on: July 04, 2019, 01:47:56 AM »
Dougherty's words under oath are on record, what's not to believe? Frazier told us that Oswald walked from his car to the Depository annex while holding a long package, and it just makes sense that others saw him too but as I explained from the workers perspective getting involved could have negative consequences.

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Dougherty's earliest statement is centered on the time he returned to work. I cannot discern from his statement what time he actually returned to work.:
 

Are you not also countering the statement of Dougherty's father as to his son's stability, and also you must believe Dougherty was a supervisor
at Goodwill Ind.? Doesn't this nicely supports the assessment of son Jack's capacity?

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #178 on: July 04, 2019, 01:48:18 AM »
Would Frazier have been likely to suffer greater negative consequences if he failed to recall Oswald carrying a package that morning?

Yes, Frazier couldn't BS himself out of the situation, he drove Oswald to work and if Frazier said that Oswald was only carrying an appropriately sized lunch bag and someone else said they saw Oswald with a long package then Frazier could be seen as covering up.

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #179 on: July 04, 2019, 01:48:54 AM »
But this is supposed to be a discussion of whether a criminal defense in a criminal court of law could possibly impress upon a jury that reasonable doubt
as to the question of Oswald's guilt persisted, or if it had been put to rest by the prosecution.

How would a defense attorney, presumably in late 1964, present in court crimminal proceeding, the details in your last post?
Connally was governor of the state he was hospitalized in. Does it not follow that his staff in Austin effected the window protection you described
with no supporting cite? How is their decisions on how to temporarily secure the governor in a Dallas hospital material to what an Oswald defense attorney
should present to a jury? Aren't you simply sharing some rather vaguely presented feelings of some witnesses and those of Connally's wife and staff
because you have been influenced by those details, seemingly emotions driven, concerns that I assume are anecdotal if you are offering no supporting cites?

And John, aren't you citing the testimony of a guy with this "baggage", contradicting himself, out of the gate, as to the time he returned to work,
and his father lived with him. If you had something solid, I expect you would have brought it?

...I assume are anecdotal if you are offering no supporting cites?

“JFK’s Final Hours in Texas” by Julian Read, close aide to John Connally and Nellie Connally. I can look up the page number if you need it.

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #180 on: July 04, 2019, 01:56:24 AM »
Are you not also countering the statement of Dougherty's father as to his son's stability, and also you must believe Dougherty was a supervisor
at Goodwill Ind.? Doesn't this nicely supports the assessment of son Jack's capacity?


Dougherty had the responsibility of coming in early and making sure that certain important systems were running smoothly, is that a sign that he couldn't recall a simple detail?

Mr. BALL - Let's see, Mr. Dougherty, you said that you have some extra chores--what are those extra chores?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I have to see to it that the water system is pumped up. In other words, the air pressure is up to where---up to 40 pounds so that if it isn't pumped up, the alarm goes off, and the ADT runs that alarm system, and we immediately call Mr. Truly and of course they call me.
Mr. BALL - What is the ADT?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's that---I don't know too much about it---it has something to do with the alarm system they have got down there.
Mr. BALL - You mean the pressure, do you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes
Mr. BALL - Is that a fire-alarm system?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes--you could call it that.
Mr. BALL - Now, what else do you do there early in the morning?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, let's see, I have to check and see that there is no leaks ,in the building, that the pipes are not leaking somewhere.


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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #180 on: July 04, 2019, 01:56:24 AM »


Offline Tom Scully

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #181 on: July 04, 2019, 02:25:34 AM »
Dougherty had the responsibility of coming in early and making sure that certain important systems were running smoothly, is that a sign that he couldn't recall a simple detail?

Mr. BALL - Let's see, Mr. Dougherty, you said that you have some extra chores--what are those extra chores?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I have to see to it that the water system is pumped up. In other words, the air pressure is up to where---up to 40 pounds so that if it isn't pumped up, the alarm goes off, and the ADT runs that alarm system, and we immediately call Mr. Truly and of course they call me.
Mr. BALL - What is the ADT?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's that---I don't know too much about it---it has something to do with the alarm system they have got down there.
Mr. BALL - You mean the pressure, do you?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes
Mr. BALL - Is that a fire-alarm system?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes--you could call it that.
Mr. BALL - Now, what else do you do there early in the morning?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, let's see, I have to check and see that there is no leaks ,in the building, that the pipes are not leaking somewhere.


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What's that, John M...? I can barely hear you.... continuing from my last post, bottom image....third page:


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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #182 on: July 04, 2019, 02:33:42 AM »
What's that, John M...? I can barely hear you.... continuing from my last post, bottom image....third page:

Awesome, you post and endorse what the Warren Commission investigated, so what about their investigations with Oswald?

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #183 on: July 04, 2019, 02:38:35 AM »
Let me put this another way Tom, if Dougherty was as challenged as you make out then why was he employed at all and why was he given important responsibilities at the Depository where he worked for more than a decade?
If I was Dougherty without an alibi in the building from where shots were fired I would be a little nervous too, but this in no way diminishes his accumulated decade of working there.

Well Tom, I know I'm jealous of your ability to present mountains of worthless unconnected evidence, cheers!

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I only posted pages 2, 3, 4, of the 61 pg, Dougherty file. (not including the cover (pg 1))

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/7460478
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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #183 on: July 04, 2019, 02:38:35 AM »