CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?

[John Iacoletti]

Norman confirmed that shots were fired above his head.

No, he "confirmed" that he heard noises that he interpreted as shots.

  He was on the 5th floor of a building with seven floors.  That means there were two floors above his head.  The 7th floor windows are closed at the time of the assassination.  The only 6th floor window that is open above his head is the SN window.

Ever hear of the roof?

  Three fired bullet casings were found by that window.  Witnesses saw a rifle in that window.  Does that narrow it down?  If there were any doubt, the secret service staged a recreation in which Norman confirmed that the operation of a rifle with the bullet casings hitting the floor from the SN location were the same sounds he heard on 11.22.

Ever wonder why Jarman and Williams didn't hear these sounds?  Or why none of them heard anyone making a mad dash to the stairway?

[Martin Weidmann]

Norman confirmed that shots were fired above his head.  He was on the 5th floor of a building with seven floors.  That means there were two floors above his head.  The 7th floor windows are closed at the time of the assassination.  The only 6th floor window that is open above his head is the SN window.  Three fired bullet casings were found by that window.  Witnesses saw a rifle in that window.  Does that narrow it down?  If there were any doubt, the secret service staged a recreation in which Norman confirmed that the operation of a rifle with the bullet casings hitting the floor from the SN location were the same sounds he heard on 11.22.

Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything as to where they thought the shots came from?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I don't recall of either one of them saying they thought where it came from.
Mr. BALL. But You did?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you said you thought it came from where?
Mr. NORMAN. Above where we were, above us
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Mr. BALL. And you said you thought it came from where?
Mr. NORMAN. Above where we were, above us


Thank you for demonstrating that my point was correct..... Norman did not know, he merely thought it

[Bill Chapman]

Nobody is ridiculing anybody, fool!

Did Norman see the rifle being operated? NO!
He was on another floor and heard clicking sounds, so he can only have THOUGHT that it was a rifle.

I really don't want to know what goes on in that big echo chamber you call a head, but you seriously need to go and look for help because you are losing it completely.

Martin, this is not rocket science:
 
A) Norman told us what he heard (3 BOOMS, each accompanied in short order by 3 corresponding double clicks.
B) Brennan and Euins saw a shooter and a rifle in that window, being aimed downrange.
C) A number of others saw part of what most assuredly must have been a rifle, given the aforementioned ear & eyewitness reports.

[Thomas Graves]

Martin, this is not rocket science:
 
A) Norman told us what he heard (3 BOOMS, each accompanied in short order by 3 corresponding double clicks.
B) Brennan and Euins saw a shooter and a rifle in that window, being aimed downrange.
C) A number of others saw part of what most assuredly must have been a rifle, given the aforementioned ear & eyewitness reports.

Didn't someone say they heard sounds like cartridge casings hitting the floor directly above them?

-- MWT 

[Martin Weidmann]

Martin, this is not rocket science:
 
A) Norman told us what he heard (3 BOOMS, each accompanied in short order by 3 corresponding double clicks.
B) Brennan and Euins saw a shooter and a rifle in that window, being aimed downrange.
C) A number of others saw part of what most assuredly must have been a rifle, given the aforementioned ear & eyewitness reports.

Trying to move the goalposts again?

You objected to me saying that Norman thought what he had heard.

'regardless of what Norman thought he had heard'---Martin
>>> That statement sticks in my craw. You arrogantly, like your tag-team attack-dog doppelgänger Iacoletti, continue to tell witnesses what they thought they saw, and what they really meant.

Both Norman and Euins are African-American
Both are ridiculed by you and Iacoletti.

By now it is established, by Norman's own testimony, that I was correct.

You can now try to argue a circumstantial case to show that what Norman thought he had heard was indeed what had happened, but that still doesn't alter the basic fact that Norman never saw any of it and thus could only have thought what it was he had heard.

You can call John and I arrogant as much as you like, but in this instance I was right and you were wrong! Live with it!

[Thomas Graves]

Trying to move the goalposts again?

You objected to me saying that Norman thought what he had heard.

By now it is established, by Norman's own testimony, that I was correct.

You can now try to argue a circumstantial case to show that what Norman thought he had heard was indeed what had happened, but that still doesn't alter the basic fact that Norman never saw any of it and thus could only have thought what it was he had heard.

You can call John and I arrogant as much as you like, but in this instance I was right and you were wrong! Live with it!

Dear Weidmann,

Have you ever thought you'd seen something, but really hadn't?

Is our sense of hearing to be less trusted than our sense of sight?

Other than a gun shot, what else could it have plausibly been that he thought he'd heard?

--  MWT   

[Martin Weidmann]

Dear Weidmann,

Have you ever thought you'd seen something, but really hadn't?

Is our sense of hearing to be less trusted than our sense of sight?

Other than a rifle, what else could it have plausibly been that he thought he'd heard?

--  MWT   

Graves,

I'm sorry if you are not getting the point that I am making.

Perhaps you should try to follow and understand the ongoing conversation before replying, because then you would have known that we were not talking about "a rifle"

[Richard Smith]

Martin, this is not rocket science:
 
A) Norman told us what he heard (3 BOOMS, each accompanied in short order by 3 corresponding double clicks.
B) Brennan and Euins saw a shooter and a rifle in that window, being aimed downrange.
C) A number of others saw part of what most assuredly must have been a rifle, given the aforementioned ear & eyewitness reports.

It's hopeless.  But add in the fired bullet casings found by the window, the fact that all the 7th floor windows were closed and the only open window above Norman's head is the SN window, Norman heard the operation of a rifle, and a rifle was found on the 6th floor etc.  It's all just an assumption though that what he heard was shots.  LOL.  If a person enters a sealed room with a Big Mac, and exits without the Big Mac and no Big Mac is found in the room, we can't conclude this person ate it.  We can only "assume" they did so.  No logical inference from the totality of facts and evidence is ever permitted by defense attorney contrarians defending a guilty client.  Of all the outrageous arguments made by these loons, the notion that someone who hears three loud noises that he identifies as shots above his head at the moment someone is shot can only be deemed his assumption that he heard the rifle fired ranks high on the list of kookery.