CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?

[John Mytton]

Brennan wasn’t the only one that was fearful. Connally had the windows blacked out and steel plates placed inside the windows while he was in Parkland for ten days. Many eyewitnesses never came forward or waited many years before they did due to their fears.

Exactly, I think some Depository workers deliberately said nothing, this exchange from Dougherty is I feel an honest recollection, some fellows saw Oswald with a package but who wants to admit that they could have stopped a Presidential Assassination but didn't.

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.

JohnM

[Tom Scully]

Brennan wasn’t the only one that was fearful. Connally had the windows blacked out and steel plates placed inside the windows while he was in Parkland for ten days. Many eyewitnesses never came forward or waited many years before they did due to their fears.

Exactly, I think some Depository workers deliberately said nothing, this exchange from Dougherty is I feel an honest recollection, some fellows saw Oswald with a package but who wants to admit that they could have stopped a Presidential Assassination but didn't.

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.

JohnM

But this is supposed to be a discussion of whether a criminal defense in a criminal court of law could possibly impress upon a jury that reasonable doubt
as to the question of Oswald's guilt persisted, or if it had been put to rest by the prosecution.

How would a defense attorney, presumably in late 1964, present in court crimminal proceeding, the details in your last post?
Connally was governor of the state he was hospitalized in. Does it not follow that his staff in Austin effected the window protection you described
with no supporting cite? How is their decisions on how to temporarily secure the governor in a Dallas hospital material to what an Oswald defense attorney
should present to a jury? Aren't you simply sharing some rather vaguely presented feelings of some witnesses and those of Connally's wife and staff
because you have been influenced by those details, seemingly emotions driven, concerns that I assume are anecdotal if you are offering no supporting cites?

And John, aren't you citing the testimony of a guy with this "baggage", contradicting himself, out of the gate, as to the time he returned to work,
and his father lived with him. If you had something solid, I expect you would have brought it?

[John Mytton]

Exactly......shells bounced off the boxes to the shooters right......first shot is shell further away. Second and third are those against the wall.

 

There is no doubt that there were 3 shots and the majority of eyewitnesses only heard the shots from only one direction.





JohnM

[Colin Crow]

Exactly, I think some Depository workers deliberately said nothing, this exchange from Dougherty is I feel an honest recollection, some fellows saw Oswald with a package but who wants to admit that they could have stopped a Presidential Assassination but didn't.

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.

JohnM

Perhaps as the revelation of the "commie" assassin was revealed that fact may have influenced some. However I believe that those who provided statements early on Nov 22 would be as forthcoming as possible given the suspect was in custody and no threat to them at the time. These would include; Williams, Shelley, Arce, Lovelady, Dougherty, Brennan and Rowlands. It would not include Buel Frazier or Linnie May Randle.

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Where did the polls come from? Oh, the same polling company in 2016 Presidential election.  Hard to believe they are still around

[John Mytton]

But this is supposed to be a discussion of whether a criminal defense in a criminal court of law could possibly impress upon a jury that reasonable doubt
as to the question of Oswald's guilt persisted, or if it had been put to rest by the prosecution.

How would a defense attorney, presumably in late 1964, present in court crimminal proceeding, the details in your last post?

Dougherty's words under oath are on record, what's not to believe? Frazier told us that Oswald walked from his car to the Depository annex while holding a long package, and it just makes sense that others saw him too but as I explained from the workers perspective getting involved could have negative consequences.

JohnM

[Colin Crow]

There is no doubt that there were 3 shots and the majority of eyewitnesses only heard the shots from only one direction.





JohnM

Don't stretch things too far John 

I am merely suggesting that the position of the shells in the Studebaker photos is consistent with a three shot scenario from the SN. Then again it might be consistent with a two shot as well if the first shell was merely a spent cartridge that was ejected from the chamber as a live shell was loaded.

[Colin Crow]

Dougherty's words under oath are on record, what's not to believe? Frazier told us that Oswald walked from his car to the Depository annex while holding a long package, and it just makes sense that others saw him too but as I explained from the workers perspective getting involved could have negative consequences.

JohnM

Would Frazier have been likely to suffer greater negative consequences if he failed to recall Oswald carrying a package that morning?