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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #192 on: January 13, 2025, 03:48:03 PM »
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IMO, the missed shot was the 3rd shot fired about 0.5 sec after 2nd shot at Z313 and 5 sec after 1st shot that hit both JFK and JC at Z224

This is the theoretical result of a semi auto rifle having been the weapon used by the TSBD shooter.

The shooter saw he did not score head shot at Z224 so took another 4.8 secs to carefully aim
and squeezed off 2 more rounds rapidly of which the 2nd hit JFK high on the right rear side of the head while the 3rd round flew high due to the effect of muzzle rise when firing a semi auto rifle rapidly. That 3rd round was the one that hit the curb near James Tague and because that bullet had a different metal composition than an MC bullet may explain the anomaly of the curb analysis that seems to rule out an MC bullet having struck the curb.

   Your Theory kinda sounds like the HSCA 4 Shot scenario. For whatever reason though, you want to keep the shots being fired coming from the rear of the JFK Limo. The Tague/Curb episode does Not have to begin with a shot being fired from behind the JFK Limo.

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« Reply #192 on: January 13, 2025, 03:48:03 PM »


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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #193 on: January 14, 2025, 09:59:45 PM »
Best probability is that the shooter inadvertently squeezed trigger in his initial positioning  of the rifle atop  the firing platform of boxes.

So that means 1st shot not fired until at least Z160-170 where it can be accomplished without shooter standing up.

at that angle at least, there’s a better probability the bullet could have ricochet off the pavement.

Otherwise if not striking the pavement, instead striking grass/dirt then there’s the manhole cover to consider and why that one FBI agent was bending down to touch that uprooted grass by the manhole cover with his fingers.

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #194 on: January 14, 2025, 10:58:21 PM »
Best probability is that the shooter inadvertently squeezed trigger in his initial positioning  of the rifle atop  the firing platform of boxes.

So that means 1st shot not fired until at least Z160-170 where it can be accomplished without shooter standing up.

at that angle at least, there’s a better probability the bullet could have ricochet off the pavement.

Otherwise if not striking the pavement, instead striking grass/dirt then there’s the manhole cover to consider and why that one FBI agent was bending down to touch that uprooted grass by the manhole cover with his fingers.


So that means 1st shot not fired until at least Z160-170 where it can be accomplished without shooter standing up.

If it was inadvertent, there is no reason to believe that it couldn’t also have been (and probably was) premature (earlier than intended). My current thoughts are that it was probably earlier than intended due to interference from the window box. I think he would have intended to start trying to track his moving target before it became obscured by the tree so that he could be ready to complete the aim and fire very quickly after it emerged from behind the tree. And what I think might have happened is that the rifle barrel hit the window box and came to an unexpected sudden stop as it was being lowered. If his finger was on the trigger at that time, the sudden unexpected stoppage of the rifle could have caused an inadvertent trigger pull while the rifle was not yet fully aimed and was pointed well ahead of the actual limo position at that early timing. Yes, I think that this would have been in a sitting on the box position. But I don’t believe it had to be “at least Z160-Z170. I think that it could have been (and probably was a little earlier than that).

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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #195 on: January 14, 2025, 11:25:18 PM »

So that means 1st shot not fired until at least Z160-170 where it can be accomplished without shooter standing up.

If it was inadvertent, there is no reason to believe that it couldn’t also have been (and probably was) premature (earlier than intended). My current thoughts are that it was probably earlier than intended due to interference from the window box. I think he would have intended to start trying to track his moving target before it became obscured by the tree so that he could be ready to complete the aim and fire very quickly after it emerged from behind the tree. And what I think might have happened is that the rifle barrel hit the window box and came to an unexpected sudden stop as it was being lowered. If his finger was on the trigger at that time, the sudden unexpected stoppage of the rifle could have caused an inadvertent trigger pull while the rifle was not yet fully aimed and was pointed well ahead of the actual limo position at that early timing. Yes, I think that this would have been in a sitting on the box position. But I don’t believe it had to be “at least Z160-Z170. I think that it could have been (and probably was a little earlier than that).

How do you account for the moving white object (Oswald's white t-shirt?) in the window in the digitally enhanced clip from the Robert Hughes film -- which clip is viewable in "The Lost Bullet" video?

Do you think Oswald was squirming all over the place while sitting on his "sit box" two seconds before he fired his first, missing-everything, shot?
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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #196 on: Today at 12:01:54 AM »
How do you account for the moving white object (Oswald's white t-shirt?) in the window in the digitally enhanced clip from the Robert Hughes film -- which clip is viewable in "The Lost Bullet" video?

Do you think Oswald was squirming all over the place while sitting on his "sit box" two seconds before he fired his first, missing-everything, shot?

First please tell us exactly where in the window you believe the “moving white object to be located. Here is a screenshot from the digitally enhanced Hughes film clip from “The Lost Bullet”.



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« Reply #197 on: Today at 12:31:52 AM »
First please tell us exactly where in the window you believe the “moving white object to be located. Here is a screenshot from the digitally enhanced Hughes film clip from “The Lost Bullet”.

Why don't you watch "The Lost Bullet" and see for yourself?
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Re: Why the first shot missed
« Reply #198 on: Today at 12:43:20 AM »
Why don't you watch "The Lost Bullet" and see for yourself?

I did, where do you think I got the screenshot? Are you going to tell us exactly where in the window you believe the moving white object to be located?

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« Reply #199 on: Today at 12:48:56 AM »
I did, where do you think I got the screenshot? Are you going to tell us exactly where in the window you believe the moving white object to be located?

You can't tell?

Do you think it's just an "artifact"?
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