First shot reactions

[Royell Storing]

Re SBT: Tell us what FMJ ammo is designed to do. You can look it up if you have to.

    Well, for starters we Know "FMJ ammo" is NOT designed to do what we see happening to JFK's head on Z 313. YOU can Not have it both ways.

[Bill Chapman]

    Well, for starters we Know "FMJ ammo" is NOT designed to do what we see happening to JFK's head on Z 313. YOU can Not have it both ways.

FMJ ammo is designed to travel through-and-through flesh and remain as intact as possible. Glancing off heavy bone can twist and squeeze out some intact/pristine design ambitions.


CE 399 Butt End view
A view never posted by CTers

Regarding the head shot: The fact that I don't claim FMJ ammo as purposed to remain intact after encountering solid bone straight on, your charge of 'having it both ways' is rendered moot. Striking the back of the skull nose-first can shatter some people's illusions about what FMJ ammo can and can't do.

 

[Ray Mitcham]

Lady Bird said they were "rounding a curve" when she heard a shot.

Yes the limo was rounding a curve as it went down the ramp. (It curves two ways on the downslope.)

She didn't say they were  rounding a corner. A curve is not a comer.

[Royell Storing]

FMJ ammo is designed to travel through-and-through flesh and remain as intact as possible. Glancing off heavy bone can twist and squeeze out some intact/pristine design ambitions.


CE 399 Butt End view
A view never posted by CTers

Regarding the head shot: The fact that I don't claim FMJ ammo as purposed to remain intact after encountering solid bone straight on, your charge of 'having it both ways' is rendered moot. Striking the back of the skull nose-first can shatter some people's illusions about what FMJ ammo can and can't do.

      It is the Conflicting Ammo that is the Proof in the pudding.  Ammo striking a skull and Disintegrating vs ammo striking radius bone and emerging Pristine are Not Equal.

[Andrew Mason]

They were going down a hill. The inclination begins early.

Lady Bird never said the car had straightened up.

So what is inconsistent about her statement and Jacks'? Only the driver is likely to be aware of when the car straightened out after making the turn. 

Not far from being straightened out by, say, Z160 (allow a few frames for witnesses to perceive and process the noise) since the car is 70-degrees off Houston with just the rear trunk remaining to go on Elm. The driver said he was looking at the President, not gauging how straight his car was. He might later have had the impression that he had literally straightened up, but it wasn't the most important thing to remember.

There is no way to shoehorn Jack's statement with a first shot anywhere close to z160.   Here is what the VP car was doing at z160:

Ready's head barely moves after Z199. So that's probably not where he "immediately" turned to his right.

We can't see Ready after z207. Before z199 he is facing forward to Zapruder's right. Between z198 and z207 he releases the left hand from the handhold and turns continuously to his right. By z207 his right hand is down by his right side and he is facing to Zapruder's left.  He turns around to look rearward after z207 as we see him in Altgens' no. 6. taken at z256.

Between z160 and z199 Ready turns to his left and is looking left by z171. He appears to move his head right and left again just to look at the crowd in front on both sides - never behind or even to the side.  He never lets go of the handhold with his right hand.

[Bill Chapman]

      It is the Conflicting Ammo that is the Proof in the pudding.  Ammo striking a skull and Disintegrating vs ammo striking radius bone and emerging Pristine are Not Equal.

Show us where CE399 struck either of the two large wrist bones nose-first. Show us where the butt-end view of CE399 (go ahead, post the-butt view of CE399... I dare you) fits any reasonable description of being in 'pristine' condition.

[Gary Craig]

Texas Governor John Connally's surgeon Robert Shaw

[Royell Storing]

Show us where CE399 struck either of the two large wrist bones nose-first. Show us where the butt-end view of CE399 (go ahead, post the-butt view of CE399... I dare you) fits any reasonable description of being in 'pristine' condition.

    Yes ladies and gentlemen. Focus your Complete Attention on "the butt end" of the bullet while David Copperfield marches his behind the curtain Elephant Off of the stage.