Crease in SN box

[Royell Storing]

We're seriously arguing about the weight of a bag of spuds now!?! Royell, it's not so much the weight of the box resting on the cill, it's the fact the box is jammed/wedged into the window frame. If, of course, the picture is accurate.

        We do Not Know for a fact that the box is "Jammed/Wedged into the window frame". It would be interesting is to see how a rifle on Top of that box relates to Houston St. The majority of the witnesses claiming to have seen a rifle/pipe/someone in the window were positioned on Houston St.

[Bill Chapman]

Seems like Chapman’s talking out of his behind again.

You do nothing but talk the talk

[Bill Chapman]

How can you be sure?....   Face? or behind....The image is the same...

Don't look out the window, Wally... you'll get arrested for mooning.

[Walt Cakebread]

View from sidewalk, showing rifle resting on Box A and aimed towards JFK at Z313.

View from sidewalk, showing rifle resting on Box A and aimed towards JFK at Z313.

Mr O you should be ashamed of yourself for posting such an obvious lie....

The view is most certainly NOT as the window would have been seen from the side walk anywhere near the TSBD......The angle up to the window was much more acute than you portray.   I would guess that the angle in the image would be as seen from about 50 feet above the street.

However, you are very close to the angle for a rifle being held by a man sitting on a box and resting the rifle on the Rolling Reader boxes......The rifle is nearly horizontal.....And definitely not declined down toward Elm street.....

[Walt Cakebread]

What 'image" is it I was supposed to be matching? Storing asked for the view from Houston Street. I figured the view of bystanders on the sidewalk was OK.



It all depends on where you put your eyes.

Shame on you, Organ,....  The green line in your lying presentation extends further back on Houston than Tom Dillard's position at the time he snapped his photo and clearly Dillard's photos reveal a much more acute angle than you've attempted to present as an accurate depiction....

[Walt Cakebread]

You're doing apples and oranges. Dillard's photo and the "Houston Street sidewalk" 3D view I posted were taken from two different locations. I never implied a replication of the Dillard photo.

Dillard would be so beneath the window that a line projecting from Box A to the President at Z313 would angle upwards relative to the east-west lines of the facade. As the trajectory slope descends, Dillard would have to change his viewpoint to follow it. The slope would be below his line of sight where the shot struck.

Huh??....   What ever you attempted to say doesn't change the fact that the 3D computer picture does NOT represent the view from ground level....

[Walt Cakebread]

Telephoto view from sidewalk (Less perspective)

View from sixth floor level (Normal perspective)

As you go further away from an object, the object's perspective lines become less acute. (Right: Cloud reflection on windows disabled)

True ....but the object also become smaller.....   This picture looks like the view from about 50 feet above the street....( about 50 feet from the window.)

And I thank you for showing that the rifle is nearly horizontal ( it would have been if it had been resting on the Rolling Readers)  It could not have been declined to fire down onto Elm Street.

[Royell Storing]

View from sidewalk, showing rifle resting on Box A and aimed towards JFK at Z313.

          I am curious as to the view a shooter would have through the scope of a rifle resting on that box and Pointed Toward Houston St.