3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List

[Jack Trojan]

I don't give a RA what somebody said.....  I can SEE the evidence with my own eyes.... Get your head out and perhaps you also will see for yourself. 

The Palm print ( smudge) was discovered by Lt Day shortly after he pulled the rifle from beneath the wooden pallet.   Tom Alyea saw him lift what he imagined to be a palm print and place the lift on the 3 X 5 card.  That card is on the evidence inventory list for the evening of 11 /22 63.

If you say so.  But how do you know that was Oswald's palm print and they didn't replace it with his post-mortem print?

[Walt Cakebread]

If you say so.  But how do you know that was Oswald's palm print and they didn't replace it with his post-mortem print?

IMO .....They simply made up the BS about the print being Lee Oswald's palm print.....And Yes... I'm well aware that FBI print expert Latona testified that the print was Lee Oswald's...But Latona had a career with the FBI...and his retirement was in the hands of J. Edgar Hoover.

Until you get past the idea that the authorities were the good guys ...You're just spinning your wheels, and going nowhere.....

[John Iacoletti]

Alyea later claimed that Day was lifting prints (plural) and putting them on cards. If Day lifted the magic partial palmprint in the TSBD he would have said so. He claimed he lifted it later that night at the station. There’s no evidence that he did either. Just because 11/22/63 is scrawled on the card doesn’t mean that it was created then. It was scrawled on there to support a particular narrative. The fact remains that nobody else knew about the lift for days. An undated evidence list proves nothing.

[Walt Cakebread]

Alyea later claimed that Day was lifting prints (plural) and putting them on cards. If Day lifted the magic partial palmprint in the TSBD he would have said so. He claimed he lifted it later that night at the station. There’s no evidence that he did either. Just because 11/22/63 is scrawled on the card doesn’t mean that it was created then. It was scrawled on there to support a particular narrative. The fact remains that nobody else knew about the lift for days. An undated evidence list proves nothing.

Yes, you're right,  Alyea did use the plural...  But I assume that Alyea saw Lt Day putting scotch tape on the magazine / trigger guard and therefore used the plural.

If Day lifted the magic partial palmprint in the TSBD he would have said so.

There is a asterisk preceding item number 14 on the evidence inventory list ....The meaning of that asterisk is revealed in a note at the bottom of the evidence list....That Note says ...quote..."Taken from 6th floor, 411 Elm, by Lt Day and Detective Studebaker and taken to Crime Lab , City Hall." 

[Walt Cakebread]

Because your completely made up story about when Latona got the magic palmprint has no evidence to support it.

Nope. Fritz didn’t hand over the alleged third shell until 11/27.

Walt wrote:...."This listing of just TWO spent shells alone, and by itself, indicates that this document ( evidence inventory list) was created at a time when there were only TWO spent shells in evidence.....  And that time was the evening of 11 / 22/ 63."

John argued;... Nope. Fritz didn’t hand over the alleged third shell until 11/27.

Yes that's correct John.....so you should have wrote...  Yes, you're right, there were only two spent shells turned over to the FBI at midnight 11 / 22 /63 and Fritz didn’t hand over the alleged third shell until 11/27

[John Iacoletti]

Yes that's correct John.....so you should have wrote...  Yes, you're right, there were only two spent shells turned over to the FBI at midnight 11 / 22 /63 and Fritz didn’t hand over the alleged third shell until 11/27

But you were arguing that the first evidence list had to be written on 11/22 because that was the only day that there were only 2 shells in evidence. But that’s wrong. There were only 2 shells in evidence between 11/22 and 11/27.

[Walt Cakebread]

But you were arguing that the first evidence list had to be written on 11/22 because that was the only day that there were only 2 shells in evidence. But that’s wrong. There were only 2 shells in evidence between 11/22 and 11/27.

But the only day between 11/21 and 11/27 in which evidence was turned over that required an inventory was 11 /22......  According to the altered photo copy evidence was released to the FBI on 11-22-63 and 11-26-63 .

I'm sorry I can't direct you to the FBI photos of the spent rifle shells that were taken on 11/22/63.... But perhaps you've seen then....The photos show two spent shells on a desk with a placard that identifies the shells and the date.

[Walt Cakebread]

But you were arguing that the first evidence list had to be written on 11/22 because that was the only day that there were only 2 shells in evidence. But that’s wrong. There were only 2 shells in evidence between 11/22 and 11/27.

John,   I specifically stated that  item number 9 on the list, ( the TWO spent shells ) was just one of several indicators that indicate that the original evidence list "A" was typed up on the evening of 11 / 22 /63.   

So let's take another item .....Item number one on the list "A" simply describes the rifle as an "Italian Rifle " ....  On the evening of 11/22 that's all they knew about the rifle....but by Saturday Morning they learned that the rifle was called a "Carcano carbine" ....and that information is added to the altered photo copy "B"....

and here's another ....on the original list "A" item number 6 is the S&W revolver.....The entry says .....1   .38 cal pistol, 2" barrel. 

But on the altered copy"B" of the original list that number 6 entry says... .38 cal pistol, 2" barrel, S&W, Rev. sandblast finish, brown wooden handles ser. #510210.
rel to FBi agent 1-22-63 and again 11-26-63.      NOTICE.....[b]rel to FBI agent 1-22-63[/b]   And sure enough the pistol IS listed on the evidence list of the evidence that was released to the FBI on 11 / 22 / 63....

Is this too difficult for you to understand, John ?