Tippit Shooting, 1:15

[Martin Weidmann]

Hmmm, a police report written by a "police man" who you say can lie and probably not trained in the methodology of medicine vs an official medical document with the exact time of death, sorry you lose by previous association!



That's a strange request coming from a man who trusts in the random time described by a "screwball".

No, Bowley's watch was never calibrated and even at 1:10 with a murder just moments before gives Oswald plenty of time, Higgins was way after the fact and as shown Dr Liquori was quoted by a "policeman".

In other words I have supplied a mountain of evidence and you're reduced to screwing over the eyewitnesses. Nice try!

JohnM

Evasive.....

Hmmm, a police report written by a "police man" who you say can lie and probably not trained in the methodology of medicine vs an official medical document with the exact time of death, sorry you lose by previous association!

More hypocrisy. Mytton relies on reports from police officers until they say something he doesn't like. And then he throws them under the bus.

Sounds a bit like Trump, doesn't it.

That's a strange request coming from a man who trusts in the random time described by a "screwball".

More evasion.... This "screwball" was the WC's star witness, yet Mytton has no problem throwing her under a bus when it serves his purpose.

No, Bowley's watch was never calibrated

Nor were the clocks used by the DPD dispatchers. But if Bowley's watch didn't give the correct time, he would have been late to pick up his daughter from school. He wasn't!

and even at 1:10 with a murder just moments before gives Oswald plenty of time

No it didn't!

Higgins was way after the fact and as shown Dr Liquori was quoted by a "policeman".

Not only evasive, but dishonest as well.... Dr. Liquori's time was mentioned in the authorisation for autopsy, shown earlier, which came from a Justice of the Peace.

In other words I have supplied a mountain of evidence and you're reduced to screwing over the eyewitnesses. Nice try!

Actually, as per usual, all you have supplied is hot air and a lot of BS

[John Mytton]

Your “official medical document” says he died at Methodist Hospital at 1:15, so you lose both ways.

Is that your way of admitting that you made up all the nonsense about the police clock being calibrated?

How would you know that? There’s just as much evidence (ie none) that the police dispatcher’s clock was calibrated.

Plenty of time for what?

You’ve supplied a mountain of BS rhetoric and propaganda.

Your “official medical document” says he died at Methodist Hospital at 1:15, so you lose both ways.

Read it again, "was rushed to Methodist Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival."

Deceased, a Dallas Police Officer was shot at 303 East Tenth Street was rushed to Methodist Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

Is that your way of admitting that you made up all the nonsense about the police clock being calibrated?

Why would it be nonsense?

How would you know that?

No, Bowley's watch has to be officially calibrated, just saying it was is pointless

There’s just as much evidence (ie none) that the police dispatcher’s clock was calibrated.

Oops, that puts you in a bit of a pickle.

Plenty of time for what?

Plenty of time to be positively identified at the Rooming House and at the scene of the Tippit murder.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Read it again, "was rushed to Methodist Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival."

Deceased, a Dallas Police Officer was shot at 303 East Tenth Street was rushed to Methodist Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

Why would it be nonsense?

No, Bowley's watch has to be officially calibrated, just saying it was is pointless

Oops, that puts you in a bit of a pickle.

Plenty of time to be positively identified at the Rooming House and at the scene of the Tippit murder.

JohnM

Johnny is getting desperate.... he knows his "mountain of evidence" is only a figment of his imagination which doesn't stand up against actual facts....

Poor Johnny....

Btw, I like this new arrangement where Johnny ignores my post only to make a fool of himself later by bringing up crap (he calls arguments) that have already been debunked.

[Zeon Mason]

If the ambulance arrived say, at 1:18, and then Dr.Liqouri pronounced Oswald DOA after a quick examination at 1:18, but wrote his "physicians estimate" of the time of death occurring at 1:15, then should not the detectives statement be something like:

AT 1:18, we arrived at the emergency room and Dr Liquori pronounced Oswald DOA and estimated that the death occurred approximately 12:15.

[John Mytton]

If the ambulance arrived say, at 1:18, and then Dr.Liqouri pronounced Oswald DOA after a quick examination at 1:18, but wrote his "physicians estimate" of the time of death occurring at 1:15, then should not the detectives statement be something like:

AT 1:18, we arrived at the emergency room and Dr Liquori pronounced Oswald DOA and estimated that the death occurred approximately 12:15.

The amount of "to the exact minute precision" that you expect just wasn't a part of the times, look at all of the written down times and they are "nearly always" in multiples of five.

1:30 3:10 1:15


1:15 3:00


Here is some eyewitnesses at the assassination scene and the times are all over the place. But what is interesting is the two eyewitnesses who saw the exact same Hertz clock and give times 4 minutes apart, humans make mistakes, and on top of that what's also fascinating is that these two eyewitnesses both break the "5 minute rule" ironically because they remembered to look at a digital clock, the same format that we all take for granted today but just wasn't usually accessible at the time hence all the rounded off times.   

Mr. LIEBELER - Up on the triple underpass?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes; I keep forgetting that we are taking the testimony down here. After the Presidential caravan had proceeded down Elm Street, this was approximately 12:25

Glen A. Bennett about 12:25 P.M

Mrs. JOSEPH EDDIE DEAN  At approximately 12:40 p.m

MARY ANN MOORMAN at approximately 12:25 p.mp

Mr. MILLER - About 12:15 or 12:20.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember what time the motorcade came by?
Mr. MILLER - No; I don't, not for sure.
Mr. BELIN - About how long after you got there did you see the motorcade?
Mr. MILLER - About 10 or 15 minutes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you hear three shots?
Mr. TAGUE. I heard three shots; yes sir. And I did notice the time on the Hertz clock. It was 12:29.

Mr. WILLIS. I even observed the clock on top of the building, it was 12:33 when I looked up there.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Pronounced DOA by Dr Liguori at 1:15 PM, "Mytton".  You lose.

What time? Oops!



JohnM

[Tom Scully]

What time? Oops!

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JohnM

Grow up and admit there was a problem, lay it squarely on where it belongs, Dallas officials. The death certificate is an
official document, a record of the homicide death of an on duty, city police officer. It documents FOREVER, the time of injury
as 1:18 pm and the time of death at 1:15 pm. Bowley claims he arrived at 1:10 pm, Mrs. Higgins of 417 E. Tenth told Barry Ernst a short time later that she heard the shots, rushed outside and this coincided with a TV announcer saying the time was 1:06 pm. This is a useless exercise, you know it, give us all a break and stop posting because officials corrupted the official record! Why do almost no forum posters exhibit discernment about what is and is not likely to be resolved by posting, but instead clog this forum literally chock full of unreadable nonsense, unless they are not as nonsensically repeating the same lack of judgment and the intention is to make this forum brimming with unreadable nonsense?

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/markham1.htm

Mrs. MARKHAM. I believe it was a little after 1.
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Mr. BALL. So you were walking south toward Jefferson?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You think it was a little after 1?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I wouldn't be afraid to bet it wasn't 6 or 7 minutes after 1.
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https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340598/

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On the same page as David's 2018 assertion, Karl Kinaski posted.:

What we know for sure is the time Tippit was shot. It was 1:06 pm. Quote from a CTKA review of Barry Earnest book THE GIRL ON THE STAIRS: 

"Barry then visited the scene of policeman J. D. Tippit's shooting. Here, he meets a witness that no agent of government had talked to, a Mrs. Higgins who lived nearby. She offered him some very important information. She had heard the shots and ran out her front door to see Tippit lying in the street. Barry asked her what time it was. She said it was 1:06. He asked her how she recalled that specific time. She said because she was watching TV and the announcer said it. So she automatically checked her clock when he said it and he was right." (Pronto after that announcement she heard the shots which killed Tippit)

Donald Reed Higgin's death certificate of October 25, 1969, indicates the couple still resided at 417 East Tenth, (1963 Dallas city directory displays "417 East Tenth, Apt. C").



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[Bill Chapman]

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Quote from: Bill Chapman on Today at 12:43:32 AM
'DOA means having died before getting to a hospital, emergency room, etc.'

Scully said:
Where did you pull that out of? At least wash it off....it's still brown, moist, and steaming.
>>> Take it up with Merriam-Webster, professor
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dead%20on%20arrival