Tippit Shooting, 1:15

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Ted Callaway testified that after hearing the five gun shots, he ran out to the sidewalk on Patton.  This was a little over a half block south of the shooting scene.  Callaway saw a man (who he later identified as Oswald) cutting across Patton as he (Oswald) made his way south on Patton (towards Callaway's position).  Callaway hollered out to the man  as the man continued south on Patton past Callaway's position.  Callaway testified that the man was running and holding a gun.  Callaway saw the man head west on Jefferson (the same direction as the theater).

Once the man turned west onto Jefferson, Callaway ran a "good hard run" up to the corner of Tenth and Patton.  Callaway, noticing the stopped patrol car, went to the car and saw the officer (Tippit) lying dead in the street.  Callaway said the first thing he did was to grab the police car radio and report the shooting.  He said he didn't know if anyone had reported it yet, so he decided to report it himself.

To recap, Callaway hears the shots.  Runs to the sidewalk.  Sees the gunman run south on Patton the entire block from Tenth to Jefferson.  Runs the two-thirds of a block up to the shooting scene.  Goes over to the police car and the first thing he does is grab the radio and report the shooting to the police dispatcher.

How much time do you believe passed from the time Callaway heard the shots to the time he reported the shooting on the police radio?

Let's say two minutes pass from the time Oswald shoots Tippit to the time Oswald turns the corner from Patton onto Jefferson.  This is a little over one block and Oswald was running.

Let's say it takes Callaway one minute when he made the "good hard run" the two-thirds of a half block from his location to the patrol car.

If these two time estimates are anywhere close to being correct, then Callaway is at the patrol car roughly three minutes after the shots rang out.  Let's add another full minute for error.  So we have Callaway at the patrol car using the police radio about four minutes after the shots rang out.

Here's the thing... Callaway's report to the dispatcher while using the patrol car radio took place at 1:19/1:20.

Do the math and work it backwards.  At 1:19/1:20, Callaway makes the call.  If four minutes have passed (and that's being generous, in my opinion) since the shots rang out, then the shots rang out around 1:15.

Then you should have no problem explaining how could so many witnesses observed so many things but not one of them sees a wallet,
and yet Cpt. Westbrook shows up out of nowhere with a wallet in his hand. The same Westbrook who finds a jacket,
the same Westbrook shows up at the Theater, the same Westbrook who never tells the same story twice.
   

[Martin Weidmann]

If that’s true then why did Callaway ask Benavides if he saw which way the guy went?

And you know this is accurate...how? Or any of your other time estimates for that matter...

And you know this is accurate...how? Or any of your other time estimates for that matter...

He relies completely on the DPD radio transcripts being correct and ignores what J.C. Bowles, who was in charge of the DPD dispatchers, had to say on the subject.

Two quotes from the same page: http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles1.html#set

A master clock on the telephone room wall was connected to the City Hall system. This clock reported "official" time. Within the dispatcher's office there were numerous other time giving and time recording devices, both in the telephone room and in the radio room. Telephone operators and radio operators were furnished "Simplex" clocks. Because the hands often worked loose, they indicated the incorrect time. However, their purpose was to stamp the time, day and date on incoming calls. While they were reliable at this, they were not synchronized as stated in the Committee report. Therefore, it was not uncommon for the time stamped on calls to be a minute to two ahead or behind the "official" time shown on the master clock. Accordingly, at "exactly" 10:10, various clocks could be stamping from 10:08 to 10:12, for example. When clocks were as much as a minute or so out of synchronization it was normal procedure to make the needed adjustments. During busy periods this was not readily done.

There is no way to connect "police time" with "real time." The Committee Report stated that the Dallas Police Communications system was recorded by continuously operating recorders. That statement is incorrect. Channel 1 was recorded on a Dictaphone A2TC, Model 5, belt or loop recorder. Channel 2 was recorded on a Gray "Audograph" flat disk recorder. Both were duplex units with one recording and one on standby for when the other unit contained a full recording. Both units were sound activated. It is important to note "sound" rather than "voice" because either sound or noise from any source, received through the transmission line, would activate the recorders. Once activated, the recorders remained "on" for the duration of the activating sound plus 4 seconds. The four second delay permitted brief pauses or answers to questions without the relay mechanism being overworked. On occasion, the recorders would operate almost continuously because rapid radio traffic kept them operating. On November 22, 1963, the Channel 1 recorders became, for practical purposes, continuous recorders for just over five minutes starting at approximately 12:29 pm (Channel 1 time) because the microphone on a police motorcycle stuck in the "on" position. The resulting continuous transmission kept the Channel 1 recorders operating for just over five minutes thus giving us a real-time recording for that period. The only problem was determining a basis for an accurate time reference during that period.

Spoken time stamps that could be two minutes ahead or behind the "official" time (whatever that is), recorded on voice activated devices do not provide a solid basis for preparing accurate transcripts.

[Jerry Freeman]

And you know this is accurate...how? Or any of your other time estimates for that matter...

It's called juke around with the time like was done here and there as "needed"....
Oh! Oops...change that 1:15 time there and type a 2 over that [sounds a little better]

[Jerry Freeman]

If that’s true then why did Callaway ask Benavides if he saw which way the guy went?
And you know this is accurate...how? Or any of your other time estimates for that matter...

I had put this in the "Cop Killer" thread but that topic was hijacked and fell apart---
 Quote from: Bill Brown on January 19, 2020, 11:39:44 PM
   

"The number 2 man in the line up that I saw at City Hall is the man I saw with the gun in his hand." -- Ted Callaway (Affidavit, 11/22/63)

Jim Leavelle testified that he took the affidavits WHILE they were waiting for the line up to start.....
 

Mr. LEAVELLE. I know they were on two different showups, so it is quite possible.
    Mr. BALL. Who conducted the questions of the men in the showup?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. I would think I would have been--the same line.
    Mr. BALL. Do you know what Ted Callaway said?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. Not per se; I know they were able to identify Oswald.
    Mr. BALL. What was the substance of what he said?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. I do not recall.
    Mr. BALL. You say "identify"; that doesn't mean much to me because I don't know what he identified him as.
    Mr. LEAVELLE. He said he was the man; he identified him as the man he saw running from the direction where the shots came from over in the Oak Cliff area near his carlot.
    Mr. BALL. What about Sam Guinyard?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. Same thing, practically.
    Mr. BALL. Did you take statements from them?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. I believe I took affidavits from them, according to my notes, there while we were waiting for them to come down.

So Mr Callaway knew which guy he was going to pick before he ever saw him?
Also asked before ...If Callaway saw the shooter pass by him--then why did he ask the cab driver which way the suspect went?

     Mr. BENAVIDES - And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab came to a halt and he asked me which way he went.

     

Mr. CALLAWAY. We first went into the room. There was Jim Leavelle, the detective, Sam Guinyard, and then this bus driver and myself......and Jim told us, "When I show you these guys, be sure, take your time, see if you can make a positive identification.........We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him."

Here was Callaway's big chance to go from a tinhorn used car hack and into history...he would get to identify the assassin of the president! Yeah---we've got him.
 

[Jerry Freeman]

TIPPIT SHOOTING, 1:15

Mary Wright stated that she heard the shots and called the police immediately after the shooting.  (With Malice, 2013, pg. 136)

Barbara Davis heard the shots and stated that, from the door, she saw a man walking across her front yard unloading a gun.  She then heard Helen Markham across the street yelling that a police officer was shot and killed.  Davis looked over and saw the police car.  Immediately after seeing the police car, she went inside and phoned the operator and reported the shooting to the police.  (affidavit, 11/22/63)

L.J. Lewis was at the Johnny Reynolds Motor Company, located one block south of the shooting.  He called the police immediately after hearing the gunshots to report a shooting.  (affidavit, 8/26/64)

Murray Jackson, the police radio dispatcher, received an alert at 1:16 from the "citizen using the police radio".  Upon being told by the citizen that a police man had been shot and that it was near Marsalis, Beckley and Tenth Street, Jackson immediately calls out for "78".  After getting no response, he again calls out for "78".  Jackson is calling out for "78" because that is Tippit's call number and he knows Tippit was driving car number 10.  On 11/22/63, Tippit was "78".  That he calls out for Tippit after receiving the alert from the "citizen using the police radio" tells us that at 1:16, Jackson was made aware, for the very first time, that Tippit had been shot.

Since we know that Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis called the police almost immediately... and we know that Murray Jackson (the dispatcher) was unaware of the shooting until 1:16, it becomes painfully obvious that Wright, Davis and Lewis phoned in the shooting at a point in time just before the "citizen using the police radio" alerted Jackson.  If these three witnesses had phoned in the shooting much earlier, then Jackson would have been already made aware of the shooting by his superiors and told to put an all-points bulletin.  No all-points bulletin was put out by dispatch until AFTER dispatch (Jackson) was alerted at 1:16.

You know.... There must have been 850 police switchboard operators on duty that day to have immediately taken all these calls that were coming in....Don't you think? There were phone callers from all over town trying to get through also.
Even in these present days-- 911 can't process too many multiple calls coming in and you will get a 'sorry we are busy' re-direct.
So come on and let's get real.

[Jerry Freeman]

It's called juke around with the time like was done here and there as "needed"....
Oh! Oops...

No one has ever told me how Tippit managed to get himself shot at the very same time the doctors were pronouncing him dead----
 [after trying to 'bring the officer back to life']

[John Tonkovich]

No one has ever told me how Tippit managed to get himself shot at the very same the doctors were pronouncing him dead----
 [after trying to 'bring the officer back to life']

I never tire of seeing this document. Except, there's something about that 1:15 ...
Hmmm.

[Walt Cakebread]

I had put this in the "Cop Killer" thread but that topic was hijacked and fell apart---
 Quote from: Bill Brown on January 19, 2020, 11:39:44 PM
   Jim Leavelle testified that he took the affidavits WHILE they were waiting for the line up to start.....
 So Mr Callaway knew which guy he was going to pick before he ever saw him?
Also asked before ...If Callaway saw the shooter pass by him--then why did he ask the cab driver which way the suspect went?     
Here was Callaway's big chance to go from a tinhorn used car hack and into history...he would get to identify the assassin of the president! Yeah---we've got him.

Mr. CALLAWAY.   We first went into the room. There was Jim Leavelle, the detective, Sam Guinyard, and then this bus driver and myself......and Jim told us, "When I show you these guys, be sure, take your time, see if you can make a positive identification.........We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him."[/i]

 we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer.

Basically Leavelle was telling the witnesses that Lee Harrrrrvey Ossssswald ( boooooo hissss ) was the killer and he wanted them to confirm it.... Watta farce!!