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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
« Reply #64 on: January 01, 2020, 01:24:16 PM »
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The evidence is the salute. Here’s a speculative opinion:

Amazing what you call "evidence".

And, pray tell, without using a massive amount of imagination and speculation, what is "the salute" actually "evidence" of?

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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
« Reply #64 on: January 01, 2020, 01:24:16 PM »


Online Charles Collins

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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
« Reply #65 on: January 01, 2020, 02:09:53 PM »
Amazing what you call "evidence".

And, pray tell, without using a massive amount of imagination and speculation, what is "the salute" actually "evidence" of?

More evidence from DeGrilla’s “Malcontent”:




A limited number of authors have elaborated on Oswald’s clenched-fist salute gesture. Anthony Summers published Conspiracy in 1980 and Summers interviewed Detective Combest in August 1978. In the 1978 interview Combest also said that Oswald accompanied his headshaking with ‘a definite clenched-fist salute.’ This cannot be taken as good evidence of a political gesture, given Oswald’s condition at the moment. It may indeed have been an expression of pain. Combest said nothing about the ‘salute’ in his statements on Warren Commission testimony.[ 234]

Summers’ argument can be broken down into several parts. First, the clenched-fist salute is a specific action that involves deliberate physical movement. Oswald was not writhing on the ground in agony on the basement floor, twisting and turning, or convulsing. On the contrary, even though Oswald was indeed in severe pain, he was stationary and supine. Oswald made two deliberate physical movements in response to the pleading of Detective Combest trying to elicit a dying declaration. When asked if there was anything he wanted to say, Oswald deliberately shook his head several times, indicating “no.” Detective Combest persisted. Oswald, as he had previously done in the third-floor hallway, raised his hands in a clenched-fist position. These two actions were intentional, and Oswald made no other movements. Oswald lost consciousness shortly after raising his clenched-fist salute.


Summers’ opinion is that it might not have been a salute. DeGrilla disagrees with Summers’ opinion. You are free to form your own opinion. But the evidence is there.
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
« Reply #66 on: January 01, 2020, 03:00:48 PM »
More evidence from DeGrilla’s “Malcontent”:




A limited number of authors have elaborated on Oswald’s clenched-fist salute gesture. Anthony Summers published Conspiracy in 1980 and Summers interviewed Detective Combest in August 1978. In the 1978 interview Combest also said that Oswald accompanied his headshaking with ‘a definite clenched-fist salute.’ This cannot be taken as good evidence of a political gesture, given Oswald’s condition at the moment. It may indeed have been an expression of pain. Combest said nothing about the ‘salute’ in his statements on Warren Commission testimony.[ 234]

Summers’ argument can be broken down into several parts. First, the clenched-fist salute is a specific action that involves deliberate physical movement. Oswald was not writhing on the ground in agony on the basement floor, twisting and turning, or convulsing. On the contrary, even though Oswald was indeed in severe pain, he was stationary and supine. Oswald made two deliberate physical movements in response to the pleading of Detective Combest trying to elicit a dying declaration. When asked if there was anything he wanted to say, Oswald deliberately shook his head several times, indicating “no.” Detective Combest persisted. Oswald, as he had previously done in the third-floor hallway, raised his hands in a clenched-fist position. These two actions were intentional, and Oswald made no other movements. Oswald lost consciousness shortly after raising his clenched-fist salute.


Summers’ opinion is that it might not have been a salute. DeGrilla disagrees with Summers’ opinion. You are free to form your own opinion. But the evidence is there.

Amazing what some people call "evidence" nowadays....

Almost as bad as "he left his ring in Irving, which proves he killed Kennedy".....

What's next?

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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
« Reply #67 on: January 01, 2020, 03:47:07 PM »
Amazing what some people call "evidence" nowadays....

Almost as bad as "he left his ring in Irving, which proves he killed Kennedy".....

What's next?

Confirmation bias is a remarkable thing.

Does Charles think these guys are doing a “communist salute” too?


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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
« Reply #68 on: January 01, 2020, 05:20:18 PM »
Confirmation bias is a remarkable thing.

Does Charles think these guys are doing a “communist salute” too?




It is a matter of context.






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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
« Reply #69 on: January 01, 2020, 06:52:41 PM »

It is a matter of context.


... and creative interpretation

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
« Reply #70 on: January 01, 2020, 07:03:13 PM »
Amazing what some people call "evidence" nowadays....

Almost as bad as "he left his ring in Irving, which proves he killed Kennedy".....

What's next?

That's right.

He probably jus' thought he might get his ring finger stuck in that dang coke-cola (sic) machine, or that it would get in the way of his installin' them curtain rods, later, so he done decided to leave the dag-blasted thang with Marina.

--  MWT  ;)
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Re: Oswald's "Handcuffed Communist Salute"
« Reply #71 on: January 01, 2020, 07:43:54 PM »
Oswald leaving his ring behind is notable. I wonder what the little prick was up to.

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« Reply #71 on: January 01, 2020, 07:43:54 PM »