Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination

[Jon Banks]

It was an opportunity that fell into his lap. And his plan of the surprise ambush was a good one.

Maybe.

However, the Dallas trip for JFK was announced before Oswald traveled to New Mexico and the parade route going through Dealey Plaza was predictable.

It was just a matter of getting Oswald to Dallas and getting him a job in Dealey Plaza...

[Walt Cakebread]

The copying of Oswalds's letter, preceded by her "snooping" , remains..curious?

Ruth Paine admitted that she was a informant for the FBI when she appeared before the WC.    The FACT that she spied on Lee Oswald ( and Marina who she had living in her house where she could easily spy on her) and reported to the FBI is an admission that she was an FBI informant.   

I wonder if Ruth knows that she was an FBI stoolie? ....    Probably not....She has some  wires crossed and after all these years the lie has become the truth in her head.   

[John Tonkovich]

Ruth Paine admitted that she was a informant for the FBI when she appeared before the WC.    The FACT that she spied on Lee Oswald ( and Marina who she had living in her house where she could easily spy on her) and reported to the FBI is an admission that she was an FBI informant.   

I wonder if Ruth knows that she was an FBI stoolie? ....    Probably not....She has some  wires crossed and after all these years the lie has become the truth in her head.   

Intriguing idea.
Could you help out with a citation for this " informant " admission?
Thanks.

[Jerry Freeman]

Belief in a thing, even by a lot of people, doesn't make it true.  Most people don't know the first detail about the JFK assassination.  Their opinion is worthless.   It is dealt with by CTers in a hypothetical sense in which a Quaker, housewife can be a sinister master spy involved in an assassination selectively nitpicking her words and making sinister implications.  The real Ruth Paine is of no interest to you because it is preposterous that she was involved in any conspiracy.  Just a kind person doing a good deed.   

Most people don't know the first detail about the JFK assassination.
Says who...the big know it all?
Their opinion is worthless.
How much is yours worth?
a Quaker, housewife can be a sinister master spy involved in an assassination
What a pile of crap. I do not ---nor do I agree that Ruth Paine was involved with any plot to assassinate JFK.
However her connection with the Oswalds [whatever that attachment might have been] left her vulnerable and vulnerable people are infused then with fear and intimidation. Mrs Paine's contradictory statements have been posted several times and long time members know this and some choose to ignore it.
Fear is the greatest motivator.

[John Iacoletti]

Intriguing idea.
Could you help out with a citation for this " informant " admission?
Thanks.

Walt is playing fast and loose with the term “informant”. Hosty asked her some questions about Oswald and she answered them.

[Walt Cakebread]

Intriguing idea.
Could you help out with a citation for this " informant " admission?
Thanks.

Ruth Paine admitted that she spied on Lee Oswald and reported her observations to the FBI.    When she clandestinely read the letter that Lee wrote to the Russian embassy she became angry because Lee had referred to the FBI as "notorious "....   Ruth Paine thought that the FBI was a perfect,  all American, red, white, and blue organization....  And Hoover's mother was also a Quaker.  ( Don't know if J. Edna Hoover was Quaker)   Ruth may have assumed that Hoover was a Quaker.

Lee knew that he could deflect suspicion by including outrageous, or provocative statements, in written correspondence, thus he referred to the FBI as "notorious" while knowing that the letter would be opened by the FBI before it reached the Russian Embassy .... Lee deliberately used the term "notorious" to grab the attention of the FBI agent who read the letter.  The Russians would see the "notorious FBI " as a defamatory, or derogatory term and pay no attention to it.

Lee had used this strategy many times in writing  to his "mother" from Russia ....   He stated that his loyalty was to Russia and he would take up arms against Americans if required.   That kind of stuff was for the eyes of the Russian censors. 


 

[John Tonkovich]

Walt is playing fast and loose with the term “informant”. Hosty asked her some questions about Oswald and she answered them.

Thanks.
As to Ruth, her testimony - through the years- raises more questions than it gives  real answers.
Doesn't mean I think she's a...spy or an informer or any such thing. Just not very truthful.

[John Tonkovich]

Thanks.
As to Ruth, her testimony - through the years- raises more questions than it gives  real answers.
Doesn't mean I think she's a...spy or an informer or any such thing. Just not very truthful.

Addendum: There's also the issue of Ruth and her calendar, with it's Oct 23rd ( "but I meant November, really") notation about LHO and ordering of the rifle.

And Michael, with his (30 years later ) mention of seeing the Backyard photograph in spring, 1963.

And the Minox camera/light meter, negatives

All of the above could mean..absolutely nothing.
But the lack of investigation into these two - at the time of the assassination- is disappointing. And was - For whatever reason- deliberate, on the part of the WC.