Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination

[Jerry Freeman]

  CE-133A was the last of the shots Marina took and she was more confident holding the camera, so it was steadier.

I must have asked umpty-seven times...If that was a legitimate roll of film--What ever happened to the rest of it?

[Bill Chapman]

Bad shot. Slightly blurred all over. No one in his right mind believes the Roscoe White story.

You think that would make a superior negative? CE-133A was the last of the shots Marina took and she was more confident holding the camera, so it was steadier.

LOL! How do you expect anything to match if you don't have parts of Oswald's body that are the same distance to the camera in the two photos compared? In fact, there may not even be parts of his body the same distance to the camera in any two of the photos. The backgrounds aren't necessarily the same distance to the camera in the shots.

Camera tilt is doing a number on the perspective which in turn distorts proportions of common elements in each picture. Using a tripod or fixed camera position is the most-reliable way to get consistent shots.

Same lens. Differing camera angles and subject positions/posture, and even slightly-differing camera positions.

I remember something about somebody (George deM?) showing Marina the proper way to hold the camera at some point. And somebody said the guy that did the cutout had nothing to do at some point and was just screwing around.

And this should inform serious onlookers:

[Richard Smith]

One thing for certain is that Paine was one of Oswald's handlers. So anything she did/said must be looked at with that in mind. As far as Oswald's poverty level was concerned, that's what the "False Defector" program was all about. Oswald was an Angleton singleton agent selected to be the pasty in the Big Event for Plan B just like Thomas Arthur Vallee was in Chicago for Plan A. Since Oswald was officially off the grid the CIA could disavow him.

You guys must think the CIA were a bunch of amateurs that couldn't pull off a coup. But that was their biz and they were pretty good at it up until the whole Bay of Pigs fiasco, which got Dulles fired and JFK declared war on them. We all know who prevailed.

Oswald was extracted from the fake defector program to be the patsy, otherwise, there is no way in hell that Oswald gets a job at the TSBD 3 weeks before Nov 22rd and the motorcade route gets re-routed down Elm, plus a thousand other "coincidences" that made the Big Event viable. It is much easier to accept the truth that this was a coup d'etat and Oswald was the patsy than he was a LNer with the luck of the Irish.

Instead of wasting your time on an Internet forum why don't you present your proof of Paine's involvement in the assassination to the authorities or make a Gomer Pyle-like citizen's arrest when she makes one of these appearance?  Surely you believe your own nonsense and aren't just spinning come compulsion driven conspiracy nonsense to pass the time.  Get back to us with the results.

[Richard Smith]

It was an opportunity that fell into his lap. And his plan of the surprise ambush was a good one.

Yes, many CTers suggest there must be some tidy, rational motive for a guy to take his rifle to work and assassinate the President.  As though that is the act of a normal person which must be explained with absolute certainty that we can all agree upon.  Oswald was clearly an angry malcontent.  That is the leitmotif of his entire life.  He hated authority and blamed society for his unhappiness.  He wanted to make his mark like many angry people with an act of violence.  He likely had no particular personal grievance against JFK.  As the President, JFK was a representative of American society who became a target of opportunity for a disgruntled nut who had already decided he was willing to sacrifice his own life to commit an act of violence. Oswald must have felt like he had won a golden ticket when he learned that JFK would be passing the TSBD in an open car.  Everything fell in place for him after that.  A happy guy to go out in a blaze of glory.  The fact that we are still discussing him 50 plus years later is a sign that he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.  Ironically it is the CTers that are trying to rob him of his one successful act in life. 

[John Iacoletti]

Yes, many CTers suggest there must be some tidy, rational motive for a guy to take his rifle to work and assassinate the President.  As though that is the act of a normal person which must be explained with absolute certainty that we can all agree upon.  Oswald was clearly an angry malcontent.  That is the leitmotif of his entire life.  He hated authority and blamed society for his unhappiness.  He wanted to make his mark like many angry people with an act of violence.  He likely had no particular personal grievance against JFK.  As the President, JFK was a representative of American society who became a target of opportunity for a disgruntled nut who had already decided he was willing to sacrifice his own life to commit an act of violence. Oswald must have felt like he had won a golden ticket when he learned that JFK would be passing the TSBD in an open car.  Everything fell in place for him after that.  A happy guy to go out in a blaze of glory.  The fact that we are still discussing him 50 plus years later is a sign that he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.  Ironically it is the CTers that are trying to rob him of his one successful act in life.

Cool story, bro.

[Thomas Graves]

Yes, many CTers suggest there must be some tidy, rational motive for a guy to take his rifle to work and assassinate the President.  As though that is the act of a normal person which must be explained with absolute certainty that we can all agree upon.  Oswald was clearly an angry malcontent.  That is the leitmotif of his entire life.  He hated authority and blamed society for his unhappiness.  He wanted to make his mark like many angry people with an act of violence.  He likely had no particular personal grievance against JFK.  As the President, JFK was a representative of American society who became a target of opportunity for a disgruntled nut who had already decided he was willing to sacrifice his own life to commit an act of violence. Oswald must have felt like he had won a golden ticket when he learned that JFK would be passing the TSBD in an open car.  Everything fell in place for him after that.  A happy guy to go out in a blaze of glory.  The fact that we are still discussing him 50 plus years later is a sign that he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.  Ironically it is the CTers that are trying to rob him of his one successful act in life.

Richard and Bill,

If, as I suspect, all-around loser and self-proclaimed Marxist Lee Harvey Oswald, disgusted as he was with life in America as well as in the USSR, assassinated President Kennedy on November 1963 in order to "accelerate The Dialectic" (and bring down both systems), I wonder if he could have envisioned that a mobbed-up, multi-billionaire, former KGB officer would be a de facto dictator of Russia today, and that his (Putin's) number one  "useful idiot," Donald Trump, would be the nominal president of The United States?

Ironically, what Oswald did gave rise to oodles and gobs of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, some of it Kremlin-promulgated, that paved the way for the likes of far-left (Oliver Stone, James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio) and far-right conspiracy-spewing ideologues (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Alex Jones), and, as a result of their "works," the advent of Donald J. Trump as our president.

--  MWT 

[Richard Smith]

Richard and Bill,

If, as I suspect, all-around loser and self-proclaimed Marxist Lee Harvey Oswald, disgusted as he was with life in America as well as in the USSR, assassinated President Kennedy on November 1963 in order to "accelerate The Dialectic" (and bring down both systems), I wonder if he could have envisioned that a mobbed-up, multi-billionaire, former KGB officer would be a de facto dictator of Russia today, and that his (Putin's) number one  "useful idiot," Donald Trump, would be the nominal president of The United States?

Ironically, what Oswald did gave rise to oodles and gobs of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, some of it Kremlin-promulgated, that paved the way for the likes of far-left (Oliver Stone, James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio) and far-right conspiracy-spewing ideologues (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Alex Jones), and, as a result of their "works," the advent of Donald J. Trump as our president.

--  MWT 

I don't believe Oswald gave much thought to the consequences of his actions.  He was just an angry guy who was going to shake the tree and see what happened.  He only had a few days to plan and this opportunity was purely one of chance.  That's about all he could do given his limited means.  And he succeeded in changing society in a fundamental way.  Imagine an American president being able to drive through a city in an open car on a preannounced route.  That was routine before Nov. 22, 1963.  Now it is unimaginable.  Oswald was the guy who showed the way to every angry nut who was willing to die for some grievance and wanted to make their mark.  A perfect storm with the media coverage which gives ideas to other such nuts.  And on and on until today.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

I don't believe Oswald gave much thought to the consequences of his actions.  He was just an angry guy who was going to shake the tree and see what happened.  He only had a few days to plan and this opportunity was purely one of chance.  That's about all he could do given his limited means.  And he succeeded in changing society in a fundamental way.  Imagine an American president being able to drive through a city in an open car on a preannounced route.  That was routine before Nov. 22, 1963.  Now it is unimaginable.  Oswald was the guy who showed the way to every angry nut who was willing to die for some grievance and wanted to make their mark.  A perfect storm with the media coverage which gives ideas to other such nuts.  And on and on until today.

About 10 days before the assassination Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in Dallas to confront the FBI agent, James Hosty, about his (Hosty's) questioning of Marina. That's not an act of someone who is planning to murder the president. That's drawing attention to yourself, raising a red flag.

Granted the FBI, Hosty specifically, dropped the ball. But Oswald wouldn't know how the FBI would act. In fact when he was in Mexico City he complained that the "notorious FBI" was after him.

Then he gets his rifle the day before the assassination. He doesn't get it earlier to practice with it, to check on its accuracy and reliability. He has four bullets. He needs a rife ride from a co-worker. He has to hope that he can be alone at the time JFK passes by. He has to hope on....well it's not a small list.

He got tragically lucky. He had almost no resources, no planning, no escape. It was essentially suicide.