Oswald in New Orleans

[John Iacoletti]

LBJ, the vice president, was in Dallas in the exact time frame that Marina reported this incident occurred.  She had never heard of LBJ, though, and only knew of Nixon as the VP.  As a result, she mixed the two up in her mind when equating a threat against the VP as a threat made against Nixon (who she thought of as the VP).

Marina said she was sure it wasn’t LBJ. Seems you believe in Marina’s inerrancy when it suits your biases (like knowing exactly when the press reported the Walker shooting).

[John Iacoletti]

And, of course, shortly before the assassination attempt, Oswald had Marina photograph him wearing this outfit. What a coincidence.

Not sure what you think his outfit tells you about who shot at Walker.

[Richard Smith]

Thanks, I couldn’t remember what the actual facts were. Just another example of the inconsistencies that exist throughout the case that can be logically explained. Except to the CT crowd...

You have the Walker attempt on Apr. 10 and then LBJ's visit on April 23.  Oswald then leaves for New Orleans on April 24.  It seems pretty clear he is putting distance between himself and the Walker investigation. Two incidents in this timeframe are also indicative that Oswald is starting to lose it.  Marina testified and was convinced Oswald had said "Nixon."  But in every other respect, LBJ's visit on April 23, as VP, aligns with her account about Nixon.  The time frame, newspaper accounts etc.  A logical inference - of course rejected by CTers - is that she simply confused LBJ with Nixon because both served as VP.  It seems pretty obvious what happened when you look to the totality of Marina's account and the facts.

What is inexplicable is any alternative explanation for the Nixon story.  CTers imply or state that Marina made this story up or lied about it because Nixon didn't visit Dallas.  Why would she do that?  At the very least she, or whoever they suggest coerced her to implicate Oswald, would know that this story as it relates to a Nixon visit could easily be verified.  We are talking about a public figure.  Marina indicates the visit was reported in the newspaper where Oswald learned of it.  So an easy matter to verify.  So why make up a story about Nixon visiting Dallas if that never happened and could be debunked?  It is inexplicable.  If her story is the product of an intentional lie that she was coerced to make to implicate Oswald, it's a simple matter to check the record and make LBJ the target.  Why insist it was Nixon?  And what are the odds that LBJ is in Dallas at the relevant time?   And this visit is reported in the Dallas paper exactly as she indicated?  All the stars align with this incident when you realize that LBJ is the person referenced and Marina has confused him for Nixon because she links Nixon to the vice presidency.  She honestly but erroneously believed Nixon was the person Oswald referenced.

[Charles Collins]

You have the Walker attempt on Apr. 10 and then LBJ's visit on April 23.  Oswald then leaves for New Orleans on April 24.  It seems pretty clear he is putting distance between himself and the Walker investigation. Two incidents in this timeframe are also indicative that Oswald is starting to lose it.  Marina testified and was convinced Oswald had said "Nixon."  But in every other respect, LBJ's visit on April 23, as VP, aligns with her account about Nixon.  The time frame, newspaper accounts etc.  A logical inference - of course rejected by CTers - is that she simply confused LBJ with Nixon because both served as VP.  It seems pretty obvious what happened when you look to the totality of Marina's account and the facts.

What is inexplicable is any alternative explanation for the Nixon story.  CTers imply or state that Marina made this story up or lied about it because Nixon didn't visit Dallas.  Why would she do that?  At the very least she, or whoever they suggest coerced her to implicate Oswald, would know that this story as it relates to a Nixon visit could easily be verified.  We are talking about a public figure.  Marina indicates the visit was reported in the newspaper where Oswald learned of it.  So an easy matter to verify.  So why make up a story about Nixon visiting Dallas if that never happened and could be debunked?  It is inexplicable.  If her story is the product of an intentional lie that she was coerced to make to implicate Oswald, it's a simple matter to check the record and make LBJ the target.  Why insist it was Nixon?  And what are the odds that LBJ is in Dallas at the relevant time?   And this visit is reported in the Dallas paper exactly as she indicated?  All the stars align with this incident when you realize that LBJ is the person referenced and Marina has confused him for Nixon because she links Nixon to the vice presidency.  She honestly but erroneously believed Nixon was the person Oswald referenced.

Yes, I agree. Also, it is conceivable that LHO could have told Marina he was going to check out the VP. And Marina could have asked if he was going to see Nixon (based on her mistaken memory of who was the VP). And LHO could have simply decided to lie and say yes. LHO lied compulsively (even when there was no apparent reason to lie) and apparently enjoyed doing so.

[Richard Smith]

It's laughable that anyone - even a dishonest contrarian - would suggest that someone other than Oswald wrote the note.  Who else here would: 1) write a note in Russian; 2) ask that his military papers be retained; 3) instruct someone on what to do in the event of their arrest or death; 4) had a PO box.  Do you think Ruth Paine had military records and anticipated being arrested or killed?  That eliminates her.  Same for Marina.  So who else in that household does that leave that matches the relevant criteria relating to the substance of this note and the circumstances under which it was written?  No honest person would suggest there is a scintilla of doubt that LHO wrote the note.  Either he did or it is a complete fabrication to implicate him in the Walker shooting.  There is no possibility this note was written by anyone else for any other purpose who then somehow stuck it in a book belonging to the Oswalds in the Paine house.  Those are the only reasonable choices.  And the purpose of such a note, as confirmed by Marina, was in relation to the Walker situation.  No person is going to leave a note saying "Don't wait up. I'm off to murder Gen. Walker.  Lee Harvey Oswald."  That is what is being suggested.  And, of course, if Oswald had left such a detailed note implicating himself, CTers would allege handwriting is not a science etc.  An endless loop of lunacy.

[Walt Cakebread]

You have the Walker attempt on Apr. 10 and then LBJ's visit on April 23.  Oswald then leaves for New Orleans on April 24.  It seems pretty clear he is putting distance between himself and the Walker investigation. Two incidents in this timeframe are also indicative that Oswald is starting to lose it.  Marina testified and was convinced Oswald had said "Nixon."  But in every other respect, LBJ's visit on April 23, as VP, aligns with her account about Nixon.  The time frame, newspaper accounts etc.  A logical inference - of course rejected by CTers - is that she simply confused LBJ with Nixon because both served as VP.  It seems pretty obvious what happened when you look to the totality of Marina's account and the facts.

What is inexplicable is any alternative explanation for the Nixon story.  CTers imply or state that Marina made this story up or lied about it because Nixon didn't visit Dallas.  Why would she do that?  At the very least she, or whoever they suggest coerced her to implicate Oswald, would know that this story as it relates to a Nixon visit could easily be verified.  We are talking about a public figure.  Marina indicates the visit was reported in the newspaper where Oswald learned of it.  So an easy matter to verify.  So why make up a story about Nixon visiting Dallas if that never happened and could be debunked?  It is inexplicable.  If her story is the product of an intentional lie that she was coerced to make to implicate Oswald, it's a simple matter to check the record and make LBJ the target.  Why insist it was Nixon?  And what are the odds that LBJ is in Dallas at the relevant time?   And this visit is reported in the Dallas paper exactly as she indicated?  All the stars align with this incident when you realize that LBJ is the person referenced and Marina has confused him for Nixon because she links Nixon to the vice presidency.  She honestly but erroneously believed Nixon was the person Oswald referenced.

 Oswald then leaves for New Orleans on April 24.  It seems pretty clear he is putting distance between himself and the Walker investigation.

What "investigation"?....The detectives that responded to Walker's residence on the night of 4 /10/63 were merely perfunctory.   They answered the call, asked some questions, looked over the evidence, and filed a report.....as required ...and went home to bed.   The fact that they reported the bullet was from a 30.06 reveals that they never really investigated the event.

George De M tried to prod the authorities a bit when he told a woman whom he knew was an FBI informant, that Lee Oswald had been the scoundrel  who had taken a pot shot AT General Walker.....  De M then hightailed it out of Dallas.

[John Iacoletti]

It's laughable that anyone - even a dishonest contrarian - would suggest that someone other than Oswald wrote the note.  Who else here would: 1) write a note in Russian; 2) ask that his military papers be retained; 3) instruct someone on what to do in the event of their arrest or death; 4) had a PO box.

What does this have to do with General Walker or shooting? By the way, are you still hunting around for that single example of me being “dishonest”, or are you hoping that if you keep calling me that, it will become true? Much like you think that calling this the “Walker note” somehow makes it about Walker.

Do you think Ruth Paine had military records and anticipated being arrested or killed?  That eliminates her.  Same for Marina.  So who else in that household does that leave that matches the relevant criteria relating to the substance of this note and the circumstances under which it was written? 

Why would the author of the note have to be a member of the Paine household?

No honest person would suggest there is a scintilla of doubt that LHO wrote the note. 

Disagrees with “Richard” is not the definition of dishonest.

Either he did or it is a complete fabrication to implicate him in the Walker shooting.

False dichotomy. An undated note that doesn’t mention Walker or shooting doesn’t implicate one in the Walker shooting.

And the purpose of such a note, as confirmed by Marina, was in relation to the Walker situation.

Marina also “confirmed” that Oswald was going to “take a look” at Nixon and she trapped him in the bathroom for hours with her pregnant body.

  No person is going to leave a note saying "Don't wait up. I'm off to murder Gen. Walker.  Lee Harvey Oswald."

Therefore “Richard” is free to make up any story he likes and pretend that it’s the only “honest” interpretation.

[Jerry Freeman]

The question was: Why did LHO go to New Orleans? Whether or not Nixon was actually there isn’t relevant to the question. Marina apparently believed what she said LHO told her. And this was a contributing factor in the decision to go to New Orleans.

Guess again