Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

[Walt Cakebread]

No CE 142 is not key to anything. If it had been destroyed it would not change anything. It is nothing more than a distraction and adds nothing to the understanding of the assassination.

Actually it does add to the understanding of the assassination as the WC claimed it was used by Oswald to bring the rifle into the building. Without it, you have no explanation on how Oswald could have gotten a rifle, allegedly stored in Irving, into the TSBD without Frazier seeing it.

The rifle is the key piece of information and can't be explained away.

Wrong again. The rifle by itself proves very little. It can't even be determined that it was actually fired that day and it most certainly doesn't connect to Oswald as the alleged owner. The only item that actually does that is the opinion of a handwriting expert who examined the handwriting on a Klein's order form.

People stated they saw LHO bring a long bag to the TSBD on the morning of 11/22. LHO could have burned the bag and nothing would be different.

Except for the fact that you there would be no proof or explanation on how Oswald brought the rifle into the building, when he only had one opportunity to do so!

The bag never was at the first floor wrapping table.

First of all; how in the world would you know that? And secondly, wrong again. The bag was made from TSBD materials and the tape used made it impossible for the bag to be made elsewhere. The bag was must certainly at the first floor wrapping table at some point in time.


It does not matter who discovered the bag as the bag can clearly be seen in the photo in the SN thanks to Patrick Jackson.

Yes, it can be seen in the photo, but that tells us nothing about how it got there and when. The photo also disproves the claim by the WC that the bag was found folded up on the floor at the other side of the S/N

Kent Biffle stated the bag was present in the SN prior to the discovery of the rifle.

So what?

 The bag was made from TSBD materials and the tape used made it impossible for the bag to be made elsewhere. 

Roy Truly gave the FBI a sample of the paper from the book wrapping table in the 1st floor shipping department and the FBI lab examined it and compared it to the paper of the bag that was allegedly found in what was imagined to be a "Sniper's Nest"......

A report written by FBI agent Vince Drain on 11/29/63 states..... Quote: " The paper was examined by the FBI laboratory and found not to be identical with the paper gun case that was found at the scene of the shooting".....Unquote

[Colin Crow]

Mr. DAY. On the first floor of the Texas School Book Depository, and I noticed from their wrapping bench there was paper and tape of a similar--the tape was of the same width as this. I took the bag over and tried it, and I noticed that the tape was the same width as on the bag.
Mr. BELIN. Did it appear to have the same color?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Then what did you do?
Mr. DAY. Sir?
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. DAY. I directed one of the officers standing by me, I don't know which, to get a piece of the tape and a piece of the paper from the wrapping bench.

Seems the bag was there Jack. When did this occur? On his way out with the rifle?

And while we wait, anyone want to suggest when Day had the opportunity to notice the wrapping bench and paper prior to the discovery of the bag he took to the table on the first floor?

[Martin Weidmann]

The bag was made from TSBD materials and the tape used made it impossible for the bag to be made elsewhere. 

Roy Truly gave the FBI a sample of the paper from the book wrapping table in the 1st floor shipping department and the FBI lab examined it and compared it to the paper of the bag that was allegedly found in what was imagined to be a "Sniper's Nest"......

A report written by FBI agent Vince Drain on 11/29/63 states..... Quote: " The paper was examined by the FBI laboratory and found not to be identical with the paper gun case that was found at the scene of the shooting".....Unquote

Walt,

You know better than this. There are two reports by Drain in the National Archives. They are the same except for one saying there was a match and the other saying there wasn't a match. When asked about this, Drain said he only wrote one report and not two. It is a matter of speculation which of the two reports Drain actually wrote.

A far more interesting question, at least to me, would be; who wrote the other report (in Drain's name) and why?

The LN position is that Drain actually did write two memos and then left without knowing the results of the tests. The report reflecting the outcome of the test was the one to be used. I don't consider it a very credible explanation.

[Jerry Organ]

And while we wait, anyone want to suggest when Day had the opportunity to notice the wrapping bench and paper prior to the discovery of the bag he took to the table on the first floor?

Day understood the significance of the bench and first-floor paper/tape before the bag was discovered?

[Walt Cakebread]

And while we wait, anyone want to suggest when Day had the opportunity to notice the wrapping bench and paper prior to the discovery of the bag he took to the table on the first floor?

Excellent rhetorical question, Colin.....when did detective Day have the opportunity to notice the wrapping bench and paper

We can be certain that Day didn't compare any bag to the paper and tape at the shipping department wrapping table BEFORE he took the carcano to the DPD crime lab.  Day departed the TSBD with the Carcano at about 2:15 pm and returned to the TSBD about an hour later.     And we have seen many photos of Detective Montgomery carrying a paper bag out of the TSBD at about 2:20 pm....   

So the paper bag was not available at the TSBD when Detective JC Day returned to the scene.  Which brings us to the question..... IF Detective Day compared a bag and tape on the bag with the paper and tape at the shipping table ......  Where did this bag come from??

[Colin Crow]

Day understood the significance of the bench and first-floor paper/tape before the bag was discovered?

When did he notice it Jerry? On the way inside going up to the sixth floor?

[Jerry Organ]

Excellent rhetorical question, Colin.....when did detective Day have the opportunity to notice the wrapping bench and paper

We can be certain that Day didn't compare any bag to the paper and tape at the shipping department wrapping table BEFORE he took the carcano to the DPD crime lab.  Day departed the TSBD with the Carcano at about 2:15 pm and returned to the TSBD about an hour later.     And we have seen many photos of Detective Montgomery carrying a paper bag out of the TSBD at about 2:20 pm....   

So the paper bag was not available at the TSBD when Detective JC Day returned to the scene.  Which brings us to the question..... IF Detective Day compared a bag and tape on the bag with the paper and tape at the shipping table ......  Where did this bag come from??

What's wrong with about 1:50 to 2:10?

[Colin Crow]

What's wrong with about 1:50 to 2:10?

So he had noticed the wrapping table prior to the bags discovery. Realised the similarity of materials and decided to take the bag down just to make sure?

You have the rifle, bag, Day and Studebaker all on the first floor before Day leaves the building with the rifle. When did Day first notice the wrapping table? He then gets Studebaker to collect the samples of paper and tape. The bag goes back upstairs. Day claimed he left it for Hicks and Studebaker to bring with them later. We know that is wrong. Montgomery brought it in at 3 pm. Signed in at 3.20pm.