Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[John Iacoletti]

Mr Trojan...Are you visually impaired?    There are dozens of photos that clearly show that the rifle that was recovered from beneath the boxes on the sixth floor was without any doubt a model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano.  The earliest photos were taken by Tom Alyea and they show Lt Day dusting a MANNLICHER CARCANO with finger print powder.

If you really think you can identify a specific brand and model number from the fuzzy, washed out Alyea film then you have quite an imagination.

[Jack Trojan]

There was only ONE rifle found on the sixth floor....   And two,  6.5 mm spent shells.    Weitzman and Boone found the 6.5mm CARCANO where it had been well hidden beneath a pallet of book boxes.  There are many photos that clearly show the rifle is a 6.5mm Model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano short rifle.

According to whom, you? Why do you persist in trusting the recollections of the DPD? The ONLY trustworthy person was maybe Alyea but did he film Roger Craig misreading the barrel of the MC and say 7.65mm Mauser instead of 6.5mm Carcano? Personally, I don't know who to believe. But I certainly can't definitively claim a Mauser wasn't found and Craig made it all up.

Do you think the conspirators would have been so stupid that they would have planted the spent 6.5mm Carcano shells and then planted a rifle of a different caliber???     Even Roger Craig admitted that it wouldn't have made logical sense to plant spent shells that didn't fit the rifle.

Yes I do think they were that stupid and their intention was to NOT find the Mauser, which Fritz knew was there and where not to look. But some other DPD Keystone Cop who didn't pay attention at the briefing found it. Of course I can't be sure if there was a Mauser but neither can you. Otherwise, you have to explain what orifice Roger Craig pulled "7.65" from.  Extract your head and let me know.

[Gary Craig]

[Gary Craig]

[Bill Chapman]

Seymour 'saw less' than he should have according to his later statements. He said he saw the bolt action and assumed it a Mauser, the de facto standard for bolt-action rifles of that era. The Carcano had a similar appearance, but even if he had only heard rumours about the Carcano bad reputation (let alone knowing it at-a-glance) he would, arguably, assume a Mauser would be used over said Carcano in a Kennedy assassination attempt.

[Zeon Mason]

M1941 Johnson semi auto rifle

1. Disassembled easily fits in a 24” length x 8” width paper bag
2. Was the rifle issued to Bay of Pigs invasion soldiers by CIA
3. Can fire 3 shots rapidly and accurately in 4.8 secs just By trigger squeeze
4. Makes “click” sound similar to bolt action rifle after each round is fired and shell automatically ejected
5. An M1941 Johnson rifle  may have been owned by a known CIA operative named “Loran Hall” who had WC testimony he had been approached and offered 50K but turned it down

6. Oswald made contact with anti Castro Cubans in New Orleans, most notably, Carlos Bringuier
7. Bringuier and Loran Hall were photographed together
8. Sylvia Odio thinks she saw Oswald in her apartment in company with 2 “ Mexicans
9. Sylvia Odio, Bringuier and Hall all members of same Anti Castro Cuban organization

[Walt Cakebread]

If you really think you can identify a specific brand and model number from the fuzzy, washed out Alyea film then you have quite an imagination.

OMG!....  Are you really this ignorant about rifles??  I'm sure that you've seen Alyea's film of Liar J.C. Day dusting the rifle for prints.  Anybody who has one good eye can see that that rifle is a model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano short rifle.   It's simply a matter of LOOKING at that very distinctive rifle and comparing  it with photos of CE 139 ( or a gun book, or website)  to know without any doubt that the rifle is a carcano.

P.S. I'll try to find and post the Alyea film that shows Liar Day dusting the rifle.

EXTRACT YOUR HEAD AND OPEN YOUR EYES......  Starting at 3:07 ......  Also at 3:42

[John Iacoletti]

Any body who has one good eye can see that that rifle is a model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano short rifle. 

Then why did 3 deputies (one of whom who worked at a sporting goods store) with 6 good eyes call it a Mauser?

And not just a Mauser, but a 7.65 Mauser.