Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[Walt Cakebread]

Weitzman’s affidavit was from SaPersonay - long after the Carcano seen being carried out of the TSBD was in evidence. The excuse he gave in his retraction was that he only saw it “at a glance”, but not only did his affidavit give a very specific caliber for the rifle, he also described the rifle, scope, and strap in quite a lot of detail for just a “glance”.

Curry was forced to retract his statement that the FBI had prior knowledge of Oswald, but it was true.

The screwy part of Sayer's report says that Weitzman actually had the rifle in his hands and Captain Fritz " appeared and took the rifle from him"

WHERE did Sayers get that idea???

[Gary Craig]

Yes, we know. Seen it all before, countless times. And it doesn't change anything.

The Alyea film shows a Carcano, no ifs, ands, or buts.

The rifle shown in press photos as it left the TSBD was a Carcano, no ifs, ands, or buts.

The rifle in evidence is a Carcano.

The contrafactuals are Weitzman's and Boone's affidavits and reports of interviews all taken within the first day or two after the assassination, and an assertion by Roger Craig 10 years after the fact. 

However:

Boone says that he only said "Mauser" because he heard someone else say it, so he's no authority.

Weitzman testified that he was the guy who said it, but said he was mistaken, which would mean that Boone was, too.

No one has even come close to establishing that either Boone or Weitzman knew enough about firearms to tell a Carcano from a Mauser from a Mannlicher from a Schmidt-Rubin from an Enfield, etc.

That leaves Craig, but Craig's 1973 story about seeing "7.65 Mauser" on the barrel is directly contradicted by his earlier, 1968 story that he didn't know what the rifle was. Not to mention all those years of not having mentioned "7.65 Mauser" at all.

There is film and photo on one side. On the other, a guy who only repeated what he'd heard someone else say, a guy who just said he made a mistake, and some dude who really couldn't get his story straight.

[John Iacoletti]

PS....I did not write Brian Sawyers ......I wrote Brian   BrianSawyers......and I have attempted to correct that by erasing the name "Brian " and inserting Albert, but it doesn't change....  Can anybody explain this?

Must be one of Duncan's automatic word replacement scripts.

[Walt Cakebread]

Must be one of Duncan's automatic word replacement scripts.

Yes....  I think you're right. ...but it is frustrating.   

Do you have any idea how Sayers got the idea that Seymour Weitzman actually had the rifle in his hands and Fritz "appeared and took it from him"

[Tom Scully]

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PS....I did not write Brian Sawyers ......I wrote Brian   BrianSawyers......and I have attempted to correct that by erasing the name "Brian " and inserting Albert, but it doesn't change....  Can anybody explain this?

Walt, it is a script. My "work around" is to spell it using the number 1 as a substitute for the non-capital letter L :

A1bert

Responding to the question asked in the OP of this thread....

What do you make of this... I discovered and documented Grossi / Bowen informing author Epstein that Oswald brought his MC rifle to their place of employment and that James H Martin had an interestingly similar criminal background as Grossi / Bowen with the US Navy at approx. the same time, both were car thieves, and Martin claimed the government had run his background and "propositioned him" into taking Marina and her two girls into his home. Not the stuff of lone nuttery!

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=71122&search=martin_and+%221941+chevrolet+car%22#relPageId=4&tab=page
FBI - HSCA Subject File: James Herbert Martin/
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1252

Anybody want to attempt to explain why Fleda Ryder Bowen Mantooth's brother, Dial Ryder, and her former husband Jack Bowen, father of their son, wanted the public to believe Oswald just happened to present "his rifle" to both of them? Doesn't seem to fit the "lone nut" narrative, but more like conspiring of a felon or two, to plant or to cement a narrative? ....

[John Iacoletti]

Yes....  I think you're right. ...but it is frustrating.   

Do you have any idea how Sayers got the idea that Seymour Weitzman actually had the rifle in his hands and Fritz "appeared and took it from him"

Maybe it actually happened.  You can't expect that the small amount of remaining Alyea footage captured everything that happened.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, it is a script. My "work around" is to spell it using the number 1 as a substitute for the non-capital letter L :

A1bert

Responding to the question asked in the OP of this thread....

Thank you, Tom..... I'll try that the next time....

[Walt Cakebread]

Maybe it actually happened.  You can't expect that the small amount of remaining Alyea footage captured everything that happened.

Maybe it actually happened.

 Virtually everybody who was present after the rifle was discovered, said that nobody touched the rifle before Lt Day picked it off the floor.   If Weitzman had picked up the rifle he probably would have been fired on the spot.  I seriously doubt that Weitzman ever had his hands on the carcano.....  However There is a very real possibilty that Weitzman examined a 7.65 Mauser that he had been told was the rifle that he and Boone had discovered.     Recall that initially the authorities were adamant that the rifle was a Mauser....and many news reports said that the rifle was a Mauser.   

A1bert Sawyers report sounds as though Weitzman was given a Mauser and asked to describe it....Which he did...and his description seems to be describing a 7.65 Mauser....NOT the carcano.    One of the most interesting points is Weitzman saying the the rear of the bolt was damaged .....  The bolt of the carcano ( C2766) is definitely NOT damaged.....

I can only speculate that by SaPersonay the conspirators were getting very nervous and knew that they had no case against Lee Oswald....Thus they might have been preparing to present the Mauser as the murder weapon or the weapon of Lee Oswald's acomplice.....