Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[Walt Cakebread]

I think that someone familiar enough with the Argentine Mauser to mistake the TSBD Carcano for one would also be familiar with 2 of it's main identifiable characteristics. The ground off Argentine national crest and the receiver markings noting the model designation and the manufacturer information.
My take from this is the opposite of yours. I don't think anyone mistook a Carcano for a Argentine Mauser. The logical conclusion is 2 rifles recovered. The Mauser didn't fit the LN story and was ghosted.

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The majority of model '91 Argentine 7.65 Mausers imported into the US had the Argentine national crest ground off.

https://gunsinthenews.com/1891-argentine-mauser-history/

"Collectors in the U.S., though, often find the national crest ground off of Argentine 1891 Mausers. This was done in the aftermath of the Chaco War of 1935, which pitted Bolivia and Paraguay against one another in a vicious albeit brief struggle for control of South America’s resource-rich Chaco Boreal. Argentina provided Paraguay with a large number of Model 1891 Mausers during the conflict in a move that jeopardized its relationship with Bolivia. The presence of unground national crests made it impossible to deny Argentina’s direct support for Paraguay, so after the war Argentina instituted a law requiring the removal of the national crest from any gun leaving the country. Although the government in Buenos Aires later dropped this requirement, by then most of the Argentine 1891 Mausers had been ground, and this accounts for why it is rare to find one with the crest intact."

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https://gunsinthenews.com/1891-argentine-mauser-history/

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"All of the 1891 Argentine Mauser rifles and carbines were manufactured in Berlin first at Ludwig Loewe & Company, and after 1896 at Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken Aktien-Gesellschaft (“DWM”)." 



(l.)" A 90-degree turndown bolt handle was standard on carbines. (ctr.) Graduated out to 2,000 meters, the rear sight also folds flat. (r.) Rollmarked from Berlin and shipped to Argentina, , the 1891 Mauser would also have the Argentine national crest on the front receiver band. Whether made by Loewe or DWM, the 1891 Argentine Mausers are beautifully made firearms well-known for their spectacular receiver markings. In addition to the model designation and the manufacturer information,"

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The logical conclusion is 2 rifles recovered. The Mauser didn't fit the LN story and was ghosted.

Why logical??    We have solid photographic evidence that the rifle that Boone and Weitzman discovered was a Mannlicher Carcano, ( even though Weitzman at first thought it was a 7.65 Mauser)   And we know that Fritz was NOT in the TSBD after 2:30 pm that afternoon. ( might be wrong about the exact time that Fritz Left the TSBD but we know he was back at his office before 3:00 pm )   So if there was a Mauser recovered Fritz wouldn't have been there to "take the rifle away from Weitzman" ( who left the TSBD at about 2:00pm.)     If A1bert Sawer's report isn't the result of a drunken confused mind then Weitzman's handling of a 7.65 Mauser had to have occurred either later that Friday evening or SaPersonay morning.

[Gary Craig]

The logical conclusion is 2 rifles recovered. The Mauser didn't fit the LN story and was ghosted.

Why logical??    We have solid photographic evidence that the rifle that Boone and Weitzman discovered was a Mannlicher Carcano, ( even though Weitzman at first thought it was a 7.65 Mauser)   And we know that Fritz was NOT in the TSBD after 2:30 pm that afternoon. ( might be wrong about the exact time that Fritz Left the TSBD but we know he was back at his office before 3:00 pm )   So if there was a Mauser recovered Fritz wouldn't have been there to "take the rifle away from Weitzman" ( who left the TSBD at about 2:00pm.)     If A1bert Sawer's report isn't the result of a drunken confused mind then Weitzman's handling of a 7.65 Mauser had to have occurred either later that Friday evening or SaPersonay morning.

"We have solid photographic evidence that the rifle that Boone and Weitzman discovered was a Mannlicher Carcano"

 

There's photographic evidence showing Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano?

We have hand written and typed, signed, notarized affidavits from both Boone and Fritz stating they found a 7.65 Mauser.

[Walt Cakebread]

"We have solid photographic evidence that the rifle that Boone and Weitzman discovered was a Mannlicher Carcano"

 

There's photographic evidence showing Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano?

We have hand written and typed, signed, notarized affidavits from both Boone and Fritz stating they found a 7.65 Mauser.

There's photographic evidence showing Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano?

Do you have a problem understanding what is written?    I never said that there is photographic proof  showing Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano...Here's what I wrote....."We have solid photographic evidence that the rifle that Boone and Weitzman discovered was a Mannlicher Carcano,"

The Alyea film  clearly shows Lt Day picking up the Mannlicher Carcano  from the floor beneath the pallet .........And other clips show Day examining that Mannlicher Carcano and carrying it from the building.

[Gary Craig]

There's photographic evidence showing Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano?

Do you have a problem understanding what is written?    I never said that there is photographic proof  showing Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano...Here's what I wrote....."We have solid photographic evidence that the rifle that Boone and Weitzman discovered was a Mannlicher Carcano,"

The Alyea film  clearly shows Lt Day picking up the Mannlicher Carcano  from the floor beneath the pallet .........And other clips show Day examining that Mannlicher Carcano and carrying it from the building.

How is film of Day picking up and examining a Carcano solid photographic evidence of Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano?

They both signed notarized affidavits saying they found a 7.65 Mauser.

The affidavits are admissible evidence.

The portions of the Alyea film, that still exist, are only a partial record of what occurred on the 6th floor of the TSBD on 11/22/63.

[Walt Cakebread]

How is film of Day picking up and examining a Carcano solid photographic evidence of Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano?

They both signed notarized affidavits saying they found a 7.65 Mauser.

The affidavits are admissible evidence.

The portions of the Alyea film, that still exist, are only a partial record of what occurred on the 6th floor of the TSBD on 11/22/63.

How is film of Day picking up and examining a Carcano solid photographic evidence of Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano?


Gary, Do you realize that you're making yourself look really stupid?

Surely you don't believe that Alyea would have filmed anything but events as they happened...do you?

[Jack Trojan]

Gary, Do you realize that you're making yourself look really stupid?

Surely you don't believe that Alyea would have filmed anything but events as they happened...do you?

What a stupid question.

[Gary Craig]

How is film of Day picking up and examining a Carcano solid photographic evidence of Boone and Weitzman finding a Carcano?


Gary, Do you realize that you're making yourself look really stupid?

Surely you don't believe that Alyea would have filmed anything but events as they happened...do you?

Does this mean that you're not going to explain how film of Day picking up a Carcano proves that Boone and Weitzman found it?

[Walt Cakebread]

Does this mean that you're not going to explain how film of Day picking up a Carcano proves that Boone and Weitzman found it?

Does this mean that you're not going to explain how film of Day picking up a Carcano proves that Boone and Weitzman found it?

Nope...If you can't figger it out then you lack the brains to be discussing this case.