Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[Joffrey van de Wiel]

While I agree in general with you Joffrey...there are several points that I would not agree with.....

Whether or not a Mauser was found in the TSBD is irrelevant,   Yes it is irrelevant for the reason you point out....But it IS relevant from the perspective that "Someone" was attempting to introduce a mauser into the evidence stream  ( see FBI agent  A1bert Sawers report)

What was the reason???

I  believe it was a matter of mis-identification of the Mannlicher-Carcano. Apparently, it is similar in appearance as the Mauser in question. On the picture below, a Mauser on top and the Mannlicher-Carcano at the bottom.

[Walt Cakebread]

I  believe it was a matter of mis-identification of the Mannlicher-Carcano. Apparently, it is similar in appearance as the Mauser in question. On the picture below, a Mauser on top and the Mannlicher-Carcano at the bottom.

I  believe it was a matter of mis-identification of the Mannlicher-Carcano.

Joffery, THAT  is what the discussion has been about for decades.....   And you're right.... BUT there had to have been a 7.65 mauser in Weitzman's hands or he could not have gave the detailed description of that mauser.

There's no doubt what- so- ever that the rifle that Weitzman and Boone discovered was in fact a Mannlicher Carcano ....SO the question becomes...WHO tried to introduce a 7.65 mauser into the evidence stream, and what was their motive???

[Walt Cakebread]

I  believe it was a matter of mis-identification of the Mannlicher-Carcano. Apparently, it is similar in appearance as the Mauser in question. On the picture below, a Mauser on top and the Mannlicher-Carcano at the bottom.

Both of the rifles illustrated are Mannlicher Carcano..... So they should look alike........ 

It's interesting that someone has photographically mounted a scope on the carcano in the lower photo....  It's hilarious !!   They've "mounted" the scope on the right hand side, which would render the rifle useless.....

[Joffrey van de Wiel]

Both of the rifles illustrated are Mannlicher Carcano..... So they should look alike........ 

It's interesting that someone has photographically mounted a scope on the carcano in the lower photo....  It's hilarious !!   They've "mounted" the scope on the right hand side, which would render the rifle useless.....

The top one is supposed to be a Mauser. Here's another picture:



The scope on the Carcano was wobbly and shins had to be installed to make it stable enough for firing tests. And it turned out to be defective.

Could Weitzmann have described the Mannlicher-Carcano but misnamed it as a Mauser?

[Walt Cakebread]

The top one is supposed to be a Mauser. Here's another picture:



The scope on the Carcano was wobbly and shins had to be installed to make it stable enough for firing tests. And it turned out to be defective.

Could Weitzmann have described the Mannlicher-Carcano but misnamed it as a Mauser?

Both photos that you originally posted are Mannlicher Carcanos ..... However On closer inspection I believe that the scope being mounted on the righ hand side is an optical illusion which creates an optical confusion. ....

Could Weitzmann have described the Mannlicher-Carcano but misnamed it as a Mauser?

No, absolutely not!  Weitzman definitely had a 7.65 Mauser in his hands when he described the rifle....

[Joffrey van de Wiel]

Both photos that you originally posted are Mannlicher Carcanos ..... However On closer inspection I believe that the scope being mounted on the righ hand side is an optical illusion which creates an optical confusion. ....

Could Weitzmann have described the Mannlicher-Carcano but misnamed it as a Mauser?

No, absolutely not!  Weitzman definitely had a 7.65 Mauser in his hands when he described the rifle....

I don't think it is likely that a Mauser was introduced into evidence as you state. Note that Weitzman does not mention specific characteristics like the serial number, the clip, the home-made sling etc. In his signed Affidavit of November 23rd he states that the rifle was a

- 7.65 (wrong)
- Mauser (wrong)
- bolt-action (correct)
- equipped with a 4/18 scope (correct)
- with a thick leather brownish black sling (correct.)

Nowhere in the record is there any reference to TWO rifles being discovered, it was always just the one. It does not make sense for any conspirators to create a paper trail leading from the C2766 Mannlicher-Carcano via the Hidell alias to Oswald's PO box and back to Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago, and then to leave the wrong rifle at the crime scene!

On the one hand the conspirators devised a plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel, but also so sloppy to leave the wrong evidence behind? I don't buy that.

[Joffrey van de Wiel]

But then:

[Walt Cakebread]

I don't think it is likely that a Mauser was introduced into evidence as you state. Note that Weitzman does not mention specific characteristics like the serial number, the clip, the home-made sling etc. In his signed Affidavit of November 23rd he states that the rifle was a

- 7.65 (wrong)
- Mauser (wrong)
- bolt-action (correct)
- equipped with a 4/18 scope (correct)
- with a thick leather brownish black sling (correct.)

Nowhere in the record is there any reference to TWO rifles being discovered, it was always just the one. It does not make sense for any conspirators to create a paper trail leading from the C2766 Mannlicher-Carcano via the Hidell alias to Oswald's PO box and back to Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago, and then to leave the wrong rifle at the crime scene!

On the one hand the conspirators devised a plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel, but also so sloppy to leave the wrong evidence behind? I don't buy that.

- 7.65 (wrong)  Correct.... Weitzman knew what he was looking at....and he said it was a 7.65 Mauser
- bolt-action (correct)
- equipped with a 4/18 scope (correct)
- with a thick leather brownish black sling (correct.)    Wrong.... The Mannlicher carcano DID NOT have a thick brownish black leather sling.  The Carcano had a light duty BLACK carrying strap.....The strap was unfinished tan leather on the backside and polished black leather on the finished side....and it as NOT a bandolier type sling, it was a carrying strap that had a wide leather patch incorporated into the assembly .  These patches are designed for sentry duty, and they are to prevent the narrow strap from diggin into a sentry's shoulder as he stands his post.

Nobody has ever mentioned that General Walker served in Italy during WWII....The carcano looks very much like a war trophy  ( except for the scope)
Mussolini had an elite group as his body guards...( The Guardie del Duce)  Those guards were equipped with special black uniforms, which included high black boots and Mannlicher carcanos that were painted black and special black straps with the wide patch.