In Search of the Childhood Lee

[John Tonkovich]

Thanks, Mr. Scully.

Interestingly enough, there were two Mrs. M. Oswalds. Robert Oswald Sr.'s first wife was named , oddly enough, Margaret. He divorced her to marry Marguerite; however, the first Mrs. Oswald retained her married name for awhile after the divorce.
In reality, that's about the only "two Oswalds" you'll ever find.

[Walt Cakebread]

Nagell was the only survivor, after the bomber reportedly flew into the ground at a rather high rate of speed.





John, presenting "the divide" in the most favorable light, IOW, attempting to give every forum participant the benefit of the doubt, it seems some hold themselves to a looser standard of proof not necessarily to mislead, but to provoke thought. David Joseph is replying to my posted observation that Dick Russell revised his convictions about Richard Nagell's claims, because:



David Josephs is replying to my analysis, don't go beyond Dick Russell's guidance.:

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-14015-post-100820.html#pid100820

Finally, the bottom right of the photo where it appears to say JUL is not part of the stamp that appears to say OCT 23, 1963 but part of the photo - which is also not similar to the stamps of the time

I'd suggest that you're not scrutinizing that card (N 4,271,617 ) .....If you get a magnifying glass and LOOK at the lower right of the photo you'll see UARTER written backwards.   That "stamp was made by using a US QUARTER dollar coin, an ink pad and a date stamp.

[Tom Scully]

Finally, the bottom right of the photo where it appears to say JUL is not part of the stamp that appears to say OCT 23, 1963 but part of the photo - which is also not similar to the stamps of the time

I'd suggest that you're not scrutinizing that card (N 4,271,617 ) .....If you get a magnifying glass and LOOK at the lower right of the photo you'll see UARTER written backwards.   That "stamp was made by using a US QUARTER dollar coin, an ink pad and a date stamp.

Walt, you are replying to David Josephs' observation about the I.D. stamp. He is not posting in this thread.

I ran across the testimony of a Mrs Mildred Sawyer which was taken in New Orleans...
Mrs Sawyer was a neighbor of Marguerite back in the early '50s.Twice.... Mrs Sawyer mentions a youth with BLONDE--CURLY--HAIR ...and described a polite and apparently obedient child.
Are we talking about this youngster....?

 

Oswald turned 16 years old in October, 1955. Jerry, I don't observe you presenting much of anything in this thread, since your OP. At first I anticipated you had an argument to make. You seem distracted, possibly because your OP is misleading. As I posted earlier, Oswald was precisely one year from military enlistment. For the most part, the images displayed in the OP do not reflect what Mildred Sawyer's earliest statements describe.

https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=sawyer%20and%20%2214%20or%2015%20years%22&docset=1687

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, you are replying to David Josephs' observation about the I.D. stamp. He is not posting in this thread.

Oswald turned 16 years old in October, 1955. Jerry, I don't observe you presenting much of anything in this thread, since your OP. At first I anticipated you had an argument to make. You seem distracted, possibly because your OP is misleading. As I posted earlier, Oswald was precisely one year from military enlistment. For the most part, the images displayed in the OP do not reflect what Mildred Sawyer's earliest statements describe.

https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=sawyer%20and%20%2214%20or%2015%20years%22&docset=1687

It makes no difference..... I'm calling attention yo that "stamp" on the bottom of the photo.....

[John Iacoletti]

As usual, any vilification of Oswald stood paramount.   

That's right.....And who do you think twisted this minor disagreement into a major incident?   

Marguerite said the incident was not a threat with a knife at all..... Lee had received a new pocket knife and he had it his hand admiring it as a boy will do, when her daughter in law started hassling Lee about some program that Lee was watching on TV, and in responding to Pic's wife he waved the knife around .....

Kinda like when a cop tries to grope your waist and you take a swing at him in self defense and he says “hey, did you all see that? He punched me in the nose and tried to shoot me!”

[Walt Cakebread]

Kinda like when a cop tries to grope your waist and you take a swing at him in self defense and he says “hey, did you all see that? He punched me in the nose and tried to shoot me!”

It's clear to me that Mc Donald had intention of provoking Lee Oswald.....  But he never got the opportunity to shoot Lee because other cops were there and prevented the murder.

[Jerry Freeman]

Oswald turned 16 years old in October, 1955. Jerry, I don't observe you presenting much of anything in this thread, since your OP. At first I anticipated you had an argument to make. You seem distracted, possibly because your OP is misleading. As I posted earlier, Oswald was precisely one year from military enlistment. For the most part, the images displayed in the OP do not reflect what Mildred Sawyer's earliest statements describe.

What does Richard Nagel have to do with Oswald's childhood?
When did Oswald ever have blonde hair?
There is a baby picture where it is colored I believe.
Found it...


Regarding the mentioned time period...
... in the spring of 1955 the Oswalds moved to a new apartment at 126 Exchange Place in the French Quarter.271 Although Lee gave the Exchange Place address on a school form at the end of the ninth grade,272 the school authorities had apparently not been advised of these moves earlier, because Mrs. Oswald did not want Lee to be transferred from Beauregard, which she considered a good school.273 During the summer of 1955, Robert left the Marine Corps and spent a week with his mother and Lee in New Orleans before moving to Fort Worth; he found Lee unchanged.274

That fall, Lee entered the 10th grade at Warren Easton High School.275 He had been there for about a month when he presented to the school authorities a note written by himself to which he had signed his mother's name. It was dated October 7, 1955, and read:

   

To whom it may concern,

    Becaus we are moving to San Diego in the middle of this month Lee must quit school now. Also, please send by him any papers such as his birth certificate that you may have. Thank you.   
Sincirely     Mrs. M. Oswald

Why would the school have Lee's birth certificate?
"Mrs M. Oswald"? ---Why sign his mother's name like that?
How would the principal [or whoever] accept that note and not suspect it was written by the student? "Sincirely"? "Becaus"?
But most puzzling of all....Why would this note still be in anyone's possession after nearly 8 years?

And guys...don't hijack the thread with unrelated stuff.
 

Someone has to point out the absurdity of your forthcoming claims.

Someone claims to read my mind via internet..what a laugh

[Tom Scully]

What does Richard Nagel have to do with Oswald's childhood?

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And guys...don't hijack the thread with unrelated stuff.
 Someone claims to read my mind via internet..what a laugh

Jerry, I read somewhere, in the last day, prompted in the course of putting together my posts on this thread, that John Armstrong concluded that Robert Oswald was "in on it".... complicit in the "two Marguerites" "two Lees" "OP".

I hope you can understand I presented an example of the gulf between my analysis of Nagell vs David Josephs', not to confuse or distract, but to try to bring some perspective to our differences. I am constrained by the facts, John Armstrong, Jim Hargrove, David Josephs, and to some degree, judging from this thread, you also have liberated yourselves from such constraints.

You founded you OP not on Mrs. Sawyer's rather specific recollection of Lee's age, nearly eight years before the end of November, 1963, when she described Lee as a teenager of 14 or 15 years of age.... you know what you presented, instead.....

Someone has to point out the absurdity of your forthcoming claims.
Which will include many misrepresentations and outright sophistry.
Travel to the EF, where you can join David Josephs and other "theorists" in a circle jerk of epic proportions.
Or, stay here, and we get free amusement.

Nagell was the only survivor, after the bomber reportedly flew into the ground at a rather high rate of speed.

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John, presenting "the divide" in the most favorable light, IOW, attempting to give every forum participant the benefit of the doubt, it seems some hold themselves to a looser standard of proof not necessarily to mislead, but to provoke thought. David Joseph is replying to my posted observation that Dick Russell revised his convictions about Richard Nagell's claims, because:



David Josephs is replying to my analysis, don't go beyond Dick Russell's guidance.:

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-14015-post-100820.html#pid100820
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David Josephs, replying at the deep politics link, above, said in essence, he would take the opposite approach I take.  He would ignore author Dick Russell's revised disclaimer and proceed as if the provenance of the I.D. card was proven and was foundational to the entirey of Richard Nagell's claims. David Josephs does not seem concerned about misleading readers of his forum.posts or other presentations. How about you, Jerry, in your opening post of this thread?

Even though my research debunked the following, more than four years ago, Jim Hargrove posted this, today.:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26441-dieugenio-cranor-and-the-mole-my-mole-33120/page/6/?tab=comments#comment-417797
Jim Hargrove  Posted 6 hours ago

The FBI Lied, and Lied, and Lied...
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This is just the tip of the iceberg.  For example, to see how the FBI fabricated the "evidence" for the rifle that allegedly killed JFK, see this link:
Oswald Did NOT Purchase a Rifle from Kleins - https://harveyandlee.net/Guns/Guns.html

Okay! Let's see.....

https://harveyandlee.net/Guns/Guns.html
Oswald Did NOT Purchase a Rifle from Kleins
by John Armstrong
...All US Postal Money orders have unique serial numbers. In the fall of 1962, Oswald purchased numerous money orders from the same downtown post office and mailed them to Washington, DC in order to repay a loan from the government for his travel expenses incurred when he returned to the USA from Russia. These money orders were purchased in numerical sequence beginning in November, 1962. These serial numbers show that some 1200 money orders per week were purchased at the downtown post office in Dallas. At this rate we see that Oswald's alleged purchase of a money order on March 12, 1963 should have been numbered 2,202,011,935. But the serial number of the money order published in the Warren Volumes was more than 118,000 numbers higher. At the rate of 1200 money order per week, this money order should have been purchased in late 1964 or early 1965. In other words, this money order could easily have been pulled from a stack of fresh, unsold money orders by a postal official in Dallas, sometime after the assassination, and then given to the FBI. A close look at the details surrounding the "finding" of the money order the day after the assassination strongly suggests that this is what happened. ...

Versus reality I was fortunate enough to just happen to "conjure up" because I never want to believe BS!
From my 2015 research also contained in the full display, but not in the excerpt, below:

https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://www.uspostalbulletins.com/PDF/Vol83_Issue20338_19621129.pdf#search=%22money%20order%22 Pages 4, 5
In the image below, there is an explanation of how Oswald allegedly came to buy the 60th postal
money order of the new serial number series of yellow-tinted, key-punched at the sales counter, postal money orders.:
Observe the date of the burn directive, near top of right (in the full image of the page) column, destroying the newly obsolete postal money orders John Armstrong claimed constituted a sinister serial numbering discrepancy, when in actuality the money order associated with Klein's was of a new serial numbering sequence!

https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://jfk.education/node/11
Sorry Brian, Jean, and DVP, Banks Did Not Key-Punch 1963 P.O. Money Orders

Submitted by Admin on Tue, 11/10/2015 - 06:47
Updated November 19, 2015:
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Jerry, if you make extraordinary claims and you do not present extraordinarily strong supporting evidence, would you agree you should take care to be accurate? The indifference to accuracy of Jim Hargrove indicates he exhibits cult-like tendencies.
Jerry, I discovered that Edwin Ekdahl and the Air Force Col. Lawrence Orlov aka Orloff, who suggested to George DeM that they take a ride to make introductions to the Oswald couple, are about the same age and grew up less than a mile apart, in Roxbury, MA. Shoild I just declare that they were both part of this "two Oswald" OP? I would love to do that, but I believe in treating readers the same way I want to be treated. Do not blow smoke up my ......

https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://jfk.education/node/11
Sorry Brian, Jean, and DVP, Banks Did Not Key-Punch 1963 P.O. Money Orders

Submitted by Admin on Tue, 11/10/2015 - 06:47
Updated November 19, 2015:
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https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://www.uspostalbulletins.com/PDF/Vol83_Issue20338_19621129.pdf#search=%22money%20order%22


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