Fidel

[John Tonkovich]

Journalist Jean Daniel was with Fidel Castro when JFK was assassinated. Even though they had conversed the previous night from 10 pm until 4 am. Here is a quote of Castro from the all-night session:

“Kennedy could still be this man. He still has the possibility of becoming, in the eyes of history, the greatest President of the United States, the leader who may at last understand that there can be coexistence between capitalists and socialists, even in the Americas. He would then be an even greater President than Lincoln. I know, for example, that for Khrushchev, Kennedy is a man you can talk with. I have gotten this impression from all my conversations with Khrushchev. Other leaders have assured me that to attain this goal, we must first await his re-election. Personally, I consider him responsible for everything, but I will say this: he has come to understand many things over the past few months; and then too, in the last analysis, I’m convinced that anyone else would be worse.” Then Fidel had added with a broad and boyish grin: “If you see him again, you can tell him that I’m willing to declare Goldwater my friend if that will guarantee Kennedy’s re-election!”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newrepublic.com/amp/article/120460/fidel-castro-reaction-kennedy-assassination-cuba

Fidel Castro reportedly knew that the Kennedy brothers were trying to assassinate him and overthrow his regime. In my opinion, this was deliberate smoke to cover that he knew an assassination attempt was going to happen the next day. I can’t imagine that he actually meant this...

"Reportedly " ?
Uh, the Bay of Pigs was a bit more than "reportedly ", yes?

Anyhow, amazing you can divine the true meaning of Castro's words. Do you also read tea leaves?

[Charles Collins]

"Reportedly " ?
Uh, the Bay of Pigs was a bit more than "reportedly ", yes?

Anyhow, amazing you can divine the true meaning of Castro's words. Do you also read tea leaves?

In my post, the word reportedly is referring to Castro’s knowledge regarding the Kennedy brothers. Amazing that you would appear to post that it refers to the bay of pigs.

I stated very clearly that it was my opinion. You are perfectly free to disagree with it.

[Walt Cakebread]

"Reportedly " ?
Uh, the Bay of Pigs was a bit more than "reportedly ", yes?

Anyhow, amazing you can divine the true meaning of Castro's words. Do you also read tea leaves?

Uh, the Bay of Pigs was a bit more than "reportedly ", yes?


BOP was NOT JFK's doing..... He inherited the illegal operation from Tricky Dick Nixon , Eisenhower, Dulles and Bissell.   At the time he took office the time bomb was already ticking and he hadn't been in office long enough to get the renegade CIA under control.   In fact he tried to dissuade  the JCOS and the CIA and find a way out of the mess....

[Charles Collins]

Uh, the Bay of Pigs was a bit more than "reportedly ", yes?


BOP was NOT JFK's doing..... He inherited the illegal operation from Tricky Dick Nixon , Eisenhower, Dulles and Bissell.   At the time he took office the time bomb was already ticking and he hadn't been in office long enough to get the renegade CIA under control.   In fact he tried to dissuade  the JCOS and the CIA and find a way out of the mess....

I found this passage from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer interesting:

“Allen Dulles, the CIA director who always seemed so imperiously removed from any second-guessing, took the Bay of Pigs disaster with a rare personalness. On April 19, he arrived at Richard Nixon's home for a meeting, and he was noticeably and unaccustomedly nervous. Did he want a drink? "I certainly would," the spy chief said, "I really need one. This is the worst day of my life." Then, again in totally unaccustomed form, he worried over why he had not warned Kennedy that the air cover was absolutely necessary. "I should have told him that we must not fail," he told Nixon. Then he shook his head. "I came close to doing so but I didn't."”

[Walt Cakebread]

I found this passage from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer interesting:

“Allen Dulles, the CIA director who always seemed so imperiously removed from any second-guessing, took the Bay of Pigs disaster with a rare personalness. On April 19, he arrived at Richard Nixon's home for a meeting, and he was noticeably and unaccustomedly nervous. Did he want a drink? "I certainly would," the spy chief said, "I really need one. This is the worst day of my life." Then, again in totally unaccustomed form, he worried over why he had not warned Kennedy that the air cover was absolutely necessary. "I should have told him that we must not fail," he told Nixon. Then he shook his head. "I came close to doing so but I didn't."”

The BOP is a long sad tale of perfidy , double dealing, and treachery by those who should have been on JFK's team.

JFK was Navy all the way....  He was from the school who believed that the Ex O should cover for the Captain....

When he realized that he couldn't defuse the ticking time bomb he decided to let the CIA take the reins ....And he put General Cabell at the controls in the role of his EX O .....  He thought that Cabell would authorize the second air strike on the Cuban airfields that hadn't been destroyed in the first strike But Cabell was NOT Navy and didn't understand that he had the authority to run the operation and he lacked the guts to proceed .   

[Charles Collins]

The BOP is a long sad tale of perfidy , double dealing, and treachery by those who should have been on JFK's team.

JFK was Navy all the way....  He was from the school who believed that the Ex O should cover for the Captain....

When he realized that he couldn't defuse the ticking time bomb he decided to let the CIA take the reins ....And he put General Cabell at the controls in the role of his EX O .....  He thought that Cabell would authorize the second air strike on the Cuban airfields that hadn't been destroyed in the first strike But Cabell was NOT Navy and didn't understand that he had the authority to run the operation and he lacked the guts to proceed .

More passages from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:

Always the avid student of military history, Castro had assumed that the first step of the invasion would be an attack on his air force (he well remembered that Nasser's entire air force had been destroyed on the ground in Egypt in 1956), so he had dispersed the planes in his small air force. This one move would come to mean the difference between victory and defeat. In the bombing raids that Saturday, Castro lost five planes, but he was left with four British Sea Fury light attack bombers, one B-26, and three T-33S. It would be enough. ...

...But it was his small air force that really won the battle, before the rest of the fighting even began. The American "plan" had been prefaced entirely on the idea that Castro's tiny air force would be destroyed before the invasion force landed. Indeed, the brigadistas had been told it had already been destroyed. This was the fatal falsehood of the invasion. Castro's little Sea Furies were sent out from their hiding places to sink the invasion fleet of the United States of America. The amazing and unexpected fact is that they did! ...

... The battle was not very old when the surviving American ships began steaming out of the bay, stranding some 1,350 brigadistas, who only the day before had been happily sunning themselves at sea. ...

... The CIA had been so certain that Castro's air force would be destroyed that they had not taken even the basic precaution of placing anti-aircraft weapons aboard the ships. As the last U.S. destroyer sailed away from the Bay of Pigs, one brigadista remarked: "In the wake of that ship go two hundred years of infamy."

[Walt Cakebread]

More passages from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:

Always the avid student of military history, Castro had assumed that the first step of the invasion would be an attack on his air force (he well remembered that Nasser's entire air force had been destroyed on the ground in Egypt in 1956), so he had dispersed the planes in his small air force. This one move would come to mean the difference between victory and defeat. In the bombing raids that Saturday, Castro lost five planes, but he was left with four British Sea Fury light attack bombers, one B-26, and three T-33S. It would be enough. ...

...But it was his small air force that really won the battle, before the rest of the fighting even began. The American "plan" had been prefaced entirely on the idea that Castro's tiny air force would be destroyed before the invasion force landed. Indeed, the brigadistas had been told it had already been destroyed. This was the fatal falsehood of the invasion. Castro's little Sea Furies were sent out from their hiding places to sink the invasion fleet of the United States of America. The amazing and unexpected fact is that they did! ...

... The battle was not very old when the surviving American ships began steaming out of the bay, stranding some 1,350 brigadistas, who only the day before had been happily sunning themselves at sea. ...

... The CIA had been so certain that Castro's air force would be destroyed that they had not taken even the basic precaution of placing anti-aircraft weapons aboard the ships. As the last U.S. destroyer sailed away from the Bay of Pigs, one brigadista remarked: "In the wake of that ship go two hundred years of infamy."

I truly wish that I could tell you what really happened, but the story is so long and convoluted that It would take weeks to type out the facts .....So you can Believe it or not....  General Charles Cabell was the man most responsible for the CIA failure at BOP.     John Kennedy being the sailor that he was, lived by the code that He was responsible for anything that happened on his watch.....Thus he publicly accepted the fiasco at BOP..... But in reality it was the back stabbing CIA who was responsible.

[Walt Cakebread]

More passages from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:

Always the avid student of military history, Castro had assumed that the first step of the invasion would be an attack on his air force (he well remembered that Nasser's entire air force had been destroyed on the ground in Egypt in 1956), so he had dispersed the planes in his small air force. This one move would come to mean the difference between victory and defeat. In the bombing raids that Saturday, Castro lost five planes, but he was left with four British Sea Fury light attack bombers, one B-26, and three T-33S. It would be enough. ...

...But it was his small air force that really won the battle, before the rest of the fighting even began. The American "plan" had been prefaced entirely on the idea that Castro's tiny air force would be destroyed before the invasion force landed. Indeed, the brigadistas had been told it had already been destroyed. This was the fatal falsehood of the invasion. Castro's little Sea Furies were sent out from their hiding places to sink the invasion fleet of the United States of America. The amazing and unexpected fact is that they did! ...

... The battle was not very old when the surviving American ships began steaming out of the bay, stranding some 1,350 brigadistas, who only the day before had been happily sunning themselves at sea. ...

... The CIA had been so certain that Castro's air force would be destroyed that they had not taken even the basic precaution of placing anti-aircraft weapons aboard the ships. As the last U.S. destroyer sailed away from the Bay of Pigs, one brigadista remarked: "In the wake of that ship go two hundred years of infamy."

Charlie,   IMO the fundamental problem that caused the BOP fiasco ( and JFK's murder) was the fact that John Kennedy wasn't the ruthless iron fisted cutthroat that was needed in the White House at that time.    He inherited a ruthless mob of cut throat pirates who truly believed that they were the true government of the US and they had to answer to no one.   IOW....JFK was a good man with scruples and character who had got more than he bargained for, and found out after he was on board , the ship of which he was supposed to be the Captain, was a damned pirate ship ....and the ruthless cutthroat pirates were in control.