The real 6th floor shooter - what chance of escape?

[Martin Weidmann]

And worst of all, it completely ignores other possibilities like this one; even if we assume Kennedy's killer did shoot from the 6th floor. Why would he do the obvious and instantly flee the building, when he also can hide and mingle with the crowd that he could reasonably assume would invade the building. All he needed to do is dress like a police officer, have a fake or perhaps even a real badge and act like a cop. With so many people around who did not belong in the building he would not stand out. All he needed to do is make his way down the stairs when the cops are upstairs and simply walk out of the building.

Way too many assumptions.

Incidentally: What you describe never happened.

Translation: I have nothing to counter except of course that Oswald was the shooter and he did run down the stairs, so another hitman must have done the same.

I've just given you another scenario which shows your little theory is wrong. And you don't know it never happened. You were not there and the trick for the other hitman would be not to be noticed!

[Martin Weidmann]

You think Fritz might have been the assassin in the DalTex building?

No

[Martin Weidmann]

There is a report that says Fritz picked up the shells and they were later thrown back into the snipers nest. Where they the same shells? Ever thought of that, genius?

I was talking about the bullets (projectiles) and they were not found at the TSBD. This renders your theory--nonsense.

No bullet fragments were ever matched to the MC rifle.

[Ross Lidell]

You claim There was a 6th floor TSBD shooter. And ''Baker found Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room. Reconstructions have demonstrated that its possible to get from the 6th floor sniper's nest to the 2nd floor lunch room in less than 90 seconds.''

Yet witnesses claim to have not seen or heard anyone on the stairs during the timings you cite. So are we just conveniently ignoring these witnesses for our personal assassination beliefs?

Now what?

Now what?

Same problems (stairs timing) existed for the real 6th floor shooter as did for Oswald. Now what?

[Martin Weidmann]

You claim There was a 6th floor TSBD shooter. And ''Baker found Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room. Reconstructions have demonstrated that its possible to get from the 6th floor sniper's nest to the 2nd floor lunch room in less than 90 seconds.''

Yet witnesses claim to have not seen or heard anyone on the stairs during the timings you cite. So are we just conveniently ignoring these witnesses for our personal assassination beliefs?

Now what?

So are we just conveniently ignoring these witnesses for our personal assassination beliefs?

Yes, that's what Ross does all the time..... This is not a discussion thread. Not really.... Ross started it to get his message out and he will never ever accept anything anybody has to say that disagrees with his theory.

[Ross Lidell]

No bullet was ever traced to the MC rifle, except of course CE399 but that his it's own problems.

Of the three bullets fired at the car, one missed and was lost, the second exploded in Kennedy's head and the third one was allegedly CE399, despite the fact that the bullet fragments recovered at Parkland combined with those still left in Connally's body were more than the damage to CE399.

Other fragments of bullets were allegedly found in the limo, but this we will also never know for sure, because when the FBI Forensic team arrived at the Secret Service garage to examine the limo, they were told it had already been done and they were given some bullet fragments that supposedly came from the car.

The only match there could have been was with the shells found at the 6th floor, and they also have their own problems.....

But I'm sure none of this will stop Ross from repeating his arguments.

So the real 6th floor assassin (you don't accept that it's Oswald) used a different rifle than Oswald's Carcano? What rifle was that?

Of the three bullets fired at the car, one missed and was lost, the second exploded in Kennedy's head and the third one was allegedly CE399, despite the fact that the bullet fragments recovered at Parkland combined with those still left in Connally's body were more than the damage to CE399.

The tiny flecks of metal left in Governor Connally's wrist were never measured. It's not possible to calculate the total weight of the bullet before it was fired; so you have a theory not proof.

[Ross Lidell]

No bullet fragments were ever matched to the MC rifle.

No bullet fragments were ever matched to the MC rifle.

Do you have proof of that?

[Martin Weidmann]

You have not explained away the need for the TSBD to be "secured" by the conspirators before and during the assassination.

You have not explained away the need for Oswald to be restrained (by the conspirators) before and during the assassination.

Oswald cannot be permitted to be free to come and go lest he walk outside to look at the motorcade or someone comes inside just before the shots were fired and sees him. Lee Oswald (the patsy) cannot be permitted to have an iron-clad alibi.

You have not explained away the need for the TSBD to be "secured" by the conspirators before and during the assassination.

That need only exists in your imagination. We are talking about one man slipping into a near empty building because nearly everybody was outside watching the President. If the assassin ran into anybody he could easily abort.

You have not explained away the need for Oswald to be restrained (by the conspirators) before and during the assassination.

"I'll meet you at the luchroom on the second floor at 12.30"... That would be all it would take...

Oswald cannot be permitted to be free to come and go lest he walk outside to look at the motorcade or someone comes inside just before the shots were fired and sees him. Lee Oswald (the patsy) cannot be permitted to have an iron-clad alibi.

When the conspirators also control the cover up, there would be no problem. Witnesses that say they saw him could be persuaded that they were mistaken or they could simply be ignored, as was done with Carolyn Arnold, Dorothy Garner and others.