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Offline Thomas Graves

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The Biggest Tragedy, In Retrospect
« on: May 17, 2020, 04:44:15 AM »
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One of the most tragic things to arise out of the JFK assassination, imho, was Richard Helms' having to take in Yuri Nosenko as a defector (in early January, 1964) because Nosenko claimed to have handled Oswald's KGB file four times both before and after the assassination (!!!), ... even though Helms already strongly (and correctly) suspected that Nosenko was fake.

Why was this so tragic?

Because, with the help of some already-in-place KGB triple-agents like Aleksey Kulak and Dimitri Polyakov, and some gullible, wishful-thinking CIA officers (or moles?) like Leonard McCoy and John L. Hart, Nosenko was able to deflect attention away from several traitors like "Popov's Mole" (Edward Ellis Smith and probably someone the the Soviet Division HE helped KGB to recruit), the never-uncovered Army cipher clerk "Jack" and others both here and in our allies' countries, to permanently destroy CIA's counterintelligence efforts against the USSR, to demonize true-defector Anatoliy Golitsyn and James Angleton (the latter of whom was fired by possible mole William Colby in 1974), and worst of all, to make the CIA virtually a zombified appendage of the KGB.

Not only was Nosenko "cleared" by CIA's useful idiots (or worse) in 1968, but it hired him as a consultant and as a lecturer on counterintelligence to its new recruits (LOL) in 1969.
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This 2007 book was written by the man who was on the fast track to becoming Director of CIA until Nosenko came along.
https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames/page/n3/mode/2up

Fwiw, I suspect that the CIA officer who "helped" him interview Nosenko five times in Geneva in 1962, George Kisevalter, was a mole. The author, diplomatic "Pete" Bagley, kinda intimates as much, but it's glaringly obvious after you've read the book and, preferably, this 35-page article that Bagley wrote in 2014 ...
 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362

... and then read a lame biography of Kissevalter by (mole, suckered in, or just desperate for money?) author and former CIA officer, Clarence Ashley, titled "CIA Spymaster".

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: The Biggest Tragedy, In Retrospect
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2020, 05:05:44 PM »
   CIA officers ...like Leonard McCoy
You mean Bones? I had no idea ???

DeForest Kelley as Leonard McCoy in a publicity photograph for the original Star Trek series
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...and worst of all, to make the CIA virtually a zombified appendage of the KGB.
The evil evil KGB?----Dos Vidanya. Poka. Adiosed. Dissolved. Finished. Doesn't exist anymore. Gone. Kapoot. Outta here.
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One of the most tragic things to arise out of the JFK assassination?
The Deep State Insiders won. 

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2020, 08:31:40 PM »

You mean Bones? I had no idea ???

The evil evil KGB?

-- Dos Vidanya. Poka. Adiosed. Dissolved. Finished. Doesn't exist anymore. Gone. Kapoot. Outta here.

The Deep State Insiders won.

No, Jerry.

Leonard Vernon McCoy.  (Nice try though, Yuk Yuk Yuk.) 

Here, you can read about the traitor-like damage he did to CIA's counterintelligence efforts against the KGB and the GRU in the first six or so pages of this article.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362

Funny how, although the KGB (today's SVR and FSB) is deader than a doornail, the likes of Aldrich Ames, Anna Chapman and the Twelve Dwarfs, and Maria Butina, et al., live on, da?

Yes, the true Deep State -- known as the KGB (today's SVR and FSB) and the GRU -- is winning, especially since it installed (ironically anti-"DEEP STATE") Trump as our president, so you're right about that much.

Which makes you very happy?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2020, 08:44:12 PM »
Funny how, although the KGB (today's SVR and FSB) is deader than a doornail, the likes of Aldrich Ames,   Anna Chapman   and the Twelve Dwarfs, and Maria Butina, et al., live on, da? Yes, the true Deep State -- known as the KGB (today's SVR and FSB) and the GRU -- is winning, especially since it installed (ironically anti-"DEEP STATE") Trump as our president, so you're right about that much.
I don't know who the Twelve Dwarfs are. There were seven on the Warren Commission along with Snow Marina White. BTW ---is Anna Chapman related to a buddy of yours here named Bill?
Yeah Russia has done quite a bit of damage here...good thing you have such a good friend in China.

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2020, 08:47:31 PM »
I don't know who the Twelve Dwarfs are. There were seven on the Warren Commission along with Snow Marina White. BTW ---is Anna Chapman related to a buddy of yours here named Bill?
Yeah Russia has done quite a bit of damage here...good thing you have such a good friend in China.

Jerry,

Are you ignorant, or just a bitter former Borscht Belt mentalist/ventriloquist?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegals_Program#Anna_Chapman

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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 04:05:33 AM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegals_Program#Anna_Chapman
Climb into the present willya? Born 20 years after the asassination-- Since she was deported... Anna Chapman started working deeeeeply undercover as a Russian fashion catwalk model... headed a TV series...and was employed as a government youth counselor.
Are you threatened by this in any way?  Or do you need to waste some more web space chasing your tail?

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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2020, 04:40:13 AM »
Climb into the present willya? Born 20 years after the asassination-- Since she was deported... Anna Chapman started working deeeeeply undercover as a Russian fashion catwalk model... headed a TV series...and was employed as a government youth counselor.
Are you threatened by this in any way?  Or do you need to waste some more web space chasing your tail?

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.

It doesn't concern you that Chapman and her group of "KGB" illegals started doing their decade-long dirtywork in the US after the "dissolution of the USSR", and that the "KGB" was still paying Aldrich Ames to spy for it until he was finally caught in the mid 1990s, etc, etc?

Are you threatened in any way by the fact that the GRU hacked the DNC's emails and gave them to Putin's virtual agent, Julian Assange, to distribute at critical moments during the 2016 campaign so that Putin's nemesis, Hillary Clinton, would lose, and so that his "useful idiot," Trump, would win?

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2020, 01:01:56 AM »
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.
There is just one of me    ::)
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It doesn't concern you that Chapman and her group of "KGB" illegals started doing their decade-long dirtywork ..
Not at all---The Dumbocrapic party concerns me a lot more :-\
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...so Putin's nemesis, Hillary Clinton, would lose...
How trollish  :D

Nemesis  :D   
 
Who [again] are the "12 dwarfs?"
 
 

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