The Biggest Tragedy, In Retrospect

[Thomas Graves]

There is just one of me    ::)Not at all---The Dumbocrapic party concerns me a lot more How trollish 

Nemesis     
 
Who [again] are the "12 dwarfs?"

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.

"The Twelve Dwarfs" is what I call the eleven or twelve or thirteen SVR (KGB) Russian-national "illegals" (undercover spies) who were living in the U.S. and Canada, with Russian "Anna Chapman" as the best-known member of their spy network, from about 2000 until they were "rolled up" by the FBI in 2010.

Ring any bells?

There's a Wikipedia article on them titled "The Illegals Program."

Why don't you look it up?

--  MWT 

PS  Regarding Democrats, do you dislike the way we're treating Vladimir Putin's corrupt "useful idiot" appointee in the White House, and the lackeys he, in turn, has appointed/nominated, like William Barr, for example?

[Jerry Freeman]

Nothing useful in that post.
I would expect Russian agents to spy on Americans. I would not expect the FBI [for just purely political reasons] to spy on Americans.

[Thomas Graves]

Jerry said:

"Nothing useful in that post.
I would expect Russian agents to spy on Americans. I would not expect the FBI [for just purely political reasons] to spy on Americans."
.

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.

I thought you said the "KGB" was dead and inactive?

Nothing useful?  You mean it doesn't give you any ammo to use against the mythological CIA and FBI-controlled "Deep State"?

--  MWT 

[Michael Walton]

There's a pretty good show on TV lately called Spy Wars. I've watched about 3 episodes of it and it talks about Russian and US spies, counter spies and so on. Yes, I'm sure it continues and yes, I'm sure it was happening way back over 50 years ago when Kennedy was president.

Greg Parker wrote a good article about LHO and the so-called defection:

https://gregrparker.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/keenan.redskin.pdf

And of course Bill Simpich wrote State Secret:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret.html

But Thomas Graves seems to continue to obsess with the Russians and they were somehow involved.

[Thomas Graves]

There's a pretty good show on TV lately called Spy Wars. I've watched about 3 episodes of it and it talks about Russian and US spies, counter spies and so on. Yes, I'm sure it continues and yes, I'm sure it was happening way back over 50 years ago when Kennedy was president.

Greg Parker wrote a good article about LHO and the so-called defection:

https://gregrparker.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/keenan.redskin.pdf

And of course Bill Simpich wrote State Secret:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret.html

But Thomas Graves seems to continue to obsess with the Russians and they were somehow involved.

Michael,

The next time you confer with Bill, please ask him the following questions for me:

1) How was Eusebio Azcue's describing, in 1978, the "Oswald" he'd dealt with at the Cuban consulate in such a way that it perfectly described skinny, short, blond-haired, very thin-faced, 35 year-old KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov ... a "Red Herring"? 

Does he think Azcue was working for the CIA?

2)  What does he make of the fact that the Soviet embassy's well-paid "security guard" who volunteered the made-radioactive-by-KGB name "Kostikov" over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on 10/1/63 to a (bad Russian-speaking and bad ENGLISH-speaking) Oswald impersonator ... was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent (in other words, a KGB officer whom CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited, but in fact was still working for the KGB)?

3)  Does he still incorrectly believe that Obyedkov (misspelled "Byetkov" in Church Committee transcript of Angleton's June 1975 top-secret testimony) might have been FBI's 1966 SHAMROCK (in reality, Boris Orehkov)?

LOL

--  MWT 

[Jerry Freeman]

Jerry said:  I would expect Russian agents to spy on Americans. I would not expect the FBI [for just purely political reasons] to spy on Americans."

I did write [and confirm] that.

I thought you said the "KGB" was dead and inactive?   

I did write [and confirm] that. Why do you have to belong to some defunct agency to be a spy?
Duh

[Michael Walton]

I've only chatted with him once about 2 years ago and nothing since. The preponderance of the evidence, Tom, is this was an inside job. I'm not going to say who and I really don't care. The key word here is "preponderance" which means there are a greater number of leads that lead to this "inside job" than your Russians did it.

I advise you to read that write up by Parker too. I know you'll now say "what about how Newman agreed with me." It was a very small thing he agreed with you on, sort of like saying there was a blue dot instead of a red dot in a very large tapestry of colors.

[Thomas Graves]

I did write [and confirm] that.I did write [and confirm] that. Why do you have to belong to some defunct agency to be a spy?

Defunct?

You mean that the humanitarian organization known as the KGB, which until 1991 was comprised of two behemoths, The First Chief Directorate ("foreign" intelligence) and The Second Chief Directorate ("internal" intelligence), magically morphed into two less-threatening organizations (the SVR -- foreign intelligence, and the FSB -- internal intelligence; go figure) which flat-out refused to carry out its predecessors' 1959 plans to subvert, through a combination of traditional "active measures" and Sun Tzu-like "strategic deceptions," our own intelligence agencies (which it had completed by 1974, btw), society, and body politic so that the Mafia-That-Is-And-Will-Always-Be-"KGB" could eventually have its way with us and our Western allies?

(Did you know that Putin's net worth was estimated to be between $40 billion and $200 billion in 2014?)

Just curious:  Do you consider yourself to be "anti-America" and/or "pro-Russia"? (You come across as being both to me.)

Are you disappointed that Anna Chapman and her twelve-or-so buds were finally rolled up in 2010, having STARTED living in the U.S. and Canada some ten years after the "dissolution" of the USSR and concomitant tragic, tragic, tragic "demise" of the KGB?

Disappointed that Aldrich Ames (who, ironically, was in Counterintelligence against the Soviets/Russians) was finally uncovered in 1994?

That most Americans now realize that the GRU hacked DNC's emails in 2016?

That Vladimir Putin and his virtual agents Julian Assange and Fox News installed his corrupt, "useful idiot" as our president?

That ...

LOL

--  MWT