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[John Mytton]

That is why you cannot find any evidence that the money order was ever cashed. That is why there is no evidence that it was processed by the bank or by the Federal Reserve System.

That is why the money order was bought by someone else, while Oswald was at work at Jaggars-Stovall.

So you reckon the money order was bought by someone else therefore you have no choice but to admit that the money order was a real item and existed in our World and logically thereafter it was sent to Kleins which we know because Kleins stamped the money order with their official stamp(see below), yet for some unknown reason when it arrived at Kleins it wasn't cashed? Wtf?

As I already told you, the only foolproof method to pull off this "deception" was just to simply make the entire order in the name of Lee Harvey Oswald(only Oswald would use an alias of A. Hidell) and let it go through the normal channels and intercept the package after it arrived at the Post Office, but this elaborate plan with a cast of thousands that you have cooked up fails on almost every level and in court someone like Bugliosi would make you look very foolish.

Mr. BELIN. I hand you what has been marked as Commission Exhibit No. 788, which appears to be a U.S. postal money order payable to the order of Klein's Sporting Goods, and marked that it's from a purchaser named A. Hidell, and as the purchaser's street address is Post Office Box No. 2915, and the purchaser's City, Dallas, Tex.; March 12, 1963: and underneath the amount of $21.45, the number 2,202,130,462. And on the reverse side there appears to be an endorsement of a bank.
I wonder if you would read that endorsement, if you would, and examine it, please.
Mr. WALDMAN. This is a stamped endorsement reading "Pay to the order of the First National Bank of Chicago," followed by our account No. 50 space 91144, and that, in turn, followed by "Klein's Sporting Goods, Inc."
Mr. BELIN. Do you know whether or not that is your company's endorsement on that money order?
Mr. WALDMAN. It's identical to our endorsement.
Mr. BELIN. And I hand you what has been marked as Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 9 and ask you if you can state what this is.
Mr. WALDMAN. This is our endorsement stamp which reads the same as that shown on the money order in question.
Mr. BELIN. You have just now stamped Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 9 with your endorsement stamp?
Mr. WALDMAN. Correct.





The money order has a solid chain of custody.



JohnM

[Tom Scully]

Gosh, really?  The fact that it was never entered into the master book/control book suggests that it was not a real item, that it was fabricated and was not an item that went through the normal processing and documentation procedures.

That is why you cannot find any evidence that the money order was ever cashed. That is why there is no evidence that it was processed by the bank or by the Federal Reserve System.

That is why the money order was bought by someone else, while Oswald was at work at Jaggars-Stovall.

Etc., etc., etc.

And, by the way, regarding your claim about the timing of and reasons for the SBT's creation, you might want to read historian Dr. Gerald McKnight's chapter on this in his book Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why (University Press of Kansas, 2005). It is chapter 8.

Baloney, Michael! an SS agent retrieved the yellow PMO on Saturday evening, 11/23, receiving it to the home of Mr. Marks, a Post office executive, who received it from an employee of the Arlington, VA archive. David Joseph went on BlackOp radio to claim that employee did not exist. I presented this to silence him....

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490&relPageId=120&search=marks_and%20jackson


The initials of Jackson, Marks, and the SS agent on the reverse side of the yellow PMO:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170816075730/http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm


It should work, on you, as well! Death cert. describes him as "analyst, National Archive". Anyone going where you've gone, should consider how elaborate a deception would be that included naming a real person who retrieved the yellow PMO from the archive, while actually the whole reported sequence was fake.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170806231524/http://www.jfk.education/node/13
Klein's postal money order - claims raising suspicion it was faked
Submitted by Admin on Fri, 11/20/2015 - 15:13
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https://web.archive.org/web/20170806231524/http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=121290021


Page from Hill's 1959 Alexandria, VA, City Directory :

My original research in 2015 documented why the "Federal Reserve System literally could not process the "new process" Postal Money Order in the W.C. exhibits.

This is separate from the question of who purchased it or when or where it was mailed to Chicago. I believe the #12 displayed inside the post mark circle on the envelope accepted by the W.C. as the envelope associated with a PMO rifle purchase, is a franking machine number.

From my PMO research, and the PMO in question was of the new process variety, as presented by Tim Nickerson. This type was first sold in Dallas in early 1963, as I presented proof of, here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170806231323/http://www.jfk.education/node/11
Sorry Brian, Jean, and DVP, Banks Did Not Key-Punch 1963 P.O. Money Orders
Submitted by Admin on Tue, 11/10/2015 - 06:47
Updated November 19, 2015:

https://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/afips/1966/5068/00/50680479.pdf
(Lance Payette brought this to my attention, today. "File Locator Numbers - See Explanation, below:)
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In the article I presented in Nov., 2015, linked in the quote box directly above, I've supported better than any other source I've been able to find, the following points.:

The PMOs Oswald was known to have purchased in Dallas in fall, 1962, sent to the Dept. of State to repay a travel loan, were of the old, blue colored variety, of a serial number sequence and a process incompatible with the Postal Money Order (PMO) associated with Klein's Sporting Goods.

The blue colored money orders had no automatic data processing associated with the face amounts of dollars and cents filled in manually by the issuing postal clerks at point of purchase.

Instead, each and every one went through a process unique to them, performed by regional Fed. Reserve banks' keypunch operators contracted by the Post Office, via the Federal Reserve. IOW, the Post Office paid the Federal Reserve more than $600,000 annually to hire keypunch operators who manually read the face amount displayed on each blue colored PMO, and then keypunched that amount into each PMO card, in machine language code!

If you read my entire article linked in the quote box above, you will be informed that the blue colored money orders ended up in the Post Office Money order center in Kansas City, MO, where manual fraud detection was conducted and PMOs were manually archived and stored for two years until destruction, per statute.

The innovation associated with the yellow colored PMOs of the type Tim depicted, made the Kansas City PMO center and the Fed. Reserve bank, PMO keypunch process obsolete.

The yellow PMOs were keypunched in Friden manufactured machines at the sales counter of each post office, as each was purchased. The postal clerk simply punched in the purchase amount as each PMO was paid for, and then issued. Upon arrival at the U.S. Treasury data center in DC, large banks submitted both US Treasury checks and PMOs in bulk, from their backroom clearing operations, accompanied with a "cash letter" for each bundle, listing the individual amounts and the total amount of each bundle.

The Treasury's data center operators fed the checks and PMOs into readers capable of reconciling totals and printing file locator numbers (FLN) on each. From there, all were sent on to the archive in Arlington, VA, where they were automatically stored and retrieved via the FLN....

The confusion over the introduction of the new yellow money orders, aggravated further by the incomplete assumptions presented by John Armstrong, would only have been made even more counterproductive if both the old style blue PMOs and the new style yellow PMOs were suddenly and simultaneously all routed in bulk to each Fed. Reserve Bank, especially since most banks either were large enough to prepare cash letters for the unique Treasury issued checks or, in the case of smaller banks, contracted with larger banks for this back office service.

The new yellow PMOs were intentionally designed to be processed identically with the already existing design and processing of checks issued by the U.S. Gov!

So.... especially during that critical transition period during the sequential, regional introduction of the new, yellow colored PMOs, the last thing the Fed. Reserve banks needed was to receive both styles of money orders in bulk. There was no processing of US Treasury issued checks or of yellow PMOs the Federal Reserve banks needed to do!. The Treasury data center had an automated process to sort, verify, and route all of them to the Arlington, VA archive, and once each accompanying cash letter was proofed via that automated process, it could be submitted to the Federal Reserve for debiting of the Post Office account and crediting of the account of each PMO cashing bank.

As the older, blue colored PMOs diminished.... I presented a late 1962 newsletter to Post Offices instructing each to burn their inventory of the obsolete, blue colored PMOs, they became few enough by the late 1960s to be handled individually.

The point of all of this is to say that the regional Fed. Banks processed only the few yellow PMOs submitted by small banks without clearing arrangements with banks large enough to conduct their own back office clearing, and the Fed. Banks treated them just as the big banks, bundling them with accompanying cash letters.
The regional Fed. Banks sent the bundles of US Treasury checks and yellow PMOs to the Treasury Data Center in DC, and this is the only contact they had with the Chicago bank Klein's deposited the yellow PMO at.

The unique thing about these U.S. Gov checks and yellow PMOs was that, unlike private entity issued checks, the Fed. Reserve submitted them to a middle step of verification, at the Treasury's Data Center, versus verifying and clearing all private checks entirely inside the Federal Reserve!

https://web.archive.org/web/20170806231306/http://www.jfk.education/node/12

[John Iacoletti]

only Oswald would use an alias of A. Hidell

Says who?

[Tom Scully]

Says who?

The LN rulze!

Seriously, if you were patsifying Oswald, consider him and his brother and dad all had portions of Robert E. Lee's name in each of their names, and Hidell happened to be the name of the male secretary of the prominent confederate, "Little Alec"...., http://www.ourgeorgiahistory.com/ogh/Alexander_Stephens

 and Hidell's descendants had set up shop sort of prominently...in Texas!
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/7006-frazier-and-oswald/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-231512

...And St. Clair, the lawyer for the Army who asked, "At long last, Sen. McCarthy, have you no shame," and later represented Nixon, was well versed in the "Little Alec", AKA VP of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens,

Well, if Nagell was real... but he wasn't. Bill Stuckey allegedly didnt' see the Fair Play card until August,
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62272&relPageId=130&search=stuckey_and%20hidell

...but at some earlier point, LHO allegedly applied for a job using that name as a reference?

[John Mytton]

Says who?

Besides Marina, "unscientific" handwriting analysis and a nonsense "planted" ID, how much evidence attaches Lee Harvey Oswald to the alias A.J. Hidell?

JohnM

[Paul May]

There is no amount of evidence, none that will ever convince a conspiracy advocate to consider what ultimately is a simple murder case. It cannot be done. Unanswered questions in the JFK event?Absolutely. Such is the case in most murder cases. Speak with any homicide cop. Yet, in the Kennedy case, to conspiracy types, ALL unanswered questions are nefarious. This purchase order to Klein’s is a perfect example of this phenomenon. The fact this dialogue is 56 years after the event and has been discussed ad nauseam for 56 years is remarkable imo. What’s the point?

[Tom Scully]

There is no amount of evidence, none that will ever convince a conspiracy advocate to consider what ultimately is a simple murder case. It cannot be done. Unanswered questions in the JFK event?Absolutely. Such is the case in most murder cases. Speak with any homicide cop. Yet, in the Kennedy case, to conspiracy types, ALL unanswered questions are nefarious. This purchase order to Klein’s is a perfect example of this phenomenon. The fact this dialogue is 56 years after the event and has been discussed ad nauseam for 56 years is remarkable imo. What’s the point?

Paul, consider who we are as a country, where we've been, and where we are, now....

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201812/complete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support
Bobby Azarian Ph.D. - Mind In The Machine

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Science can help us make sense of the president's political invincibility.
Posted Dec 27, 2018
....We are talking about a man who was caught on tape saying, “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy.” Politically surviving that video is not normal, or anything close to it, and such a revelation would likely have been the end of Barack Obama or George Bush had it surfaced weeks before the election.......

Trumpism is the "Lost Cause", on steroids, IOW, anything is possible.

Paul, some coincidences strung together... JFK's presidency began exactly 100 years after Lincoln's. Just as "the Lost Cause" had "hung on", long after Lee's surrender in 1865, prominently through the Daughters of the Confederacy, so had segregation. I recently read that, in the 20th century some 35,000 monuments were erect to honor and memorialize prominent confederate military and political figures, as well as ordinary confederate soldiers.

JFK had to step in and insist that Civil War Centennial planning and coordinating entities not exclude blacks from being represented after several incidents indicating expectations that interests intent on rewriting history to make the confederate cause seem noble, were dominating the anniversary planning.

Major coincidences were Oswald having Lee as his middle name, with Robert E. Lee references in the names of his father and brother. Where did Oswald work and allegedly fire shots at JFK from?

He worked at a distribution hub at the center of the "project described below.:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/whitewashing-civil-war-history-for-young-minds/2015/07/06/1168226c-2415-11e5-b77f-eb13a215f593_story.html
How Texas is whitewashing Civil War history -
Jul 6, 2015 - New textbooks in the state assign slavery to a secondary role in causing the Civil War. ... The Confederate flag on display, from 1938 to today ... THIS FALL, Texas schools will teach students that Moses

https://www.facingsouth.org/2019/04/twisted-sources-how-confederate-propaganda-ended-souths-schoolbooks
TWISTED SOURCES: How Confederate propaganda ended up in the South's schoolbooks
Apr 10, 2019 - Though better known these days for erecting statues to Confederate veterans during the ... to control history textbooks used in the South's public schools. ... and Texas actively partnered with the UDC and UCV to choose textbooks. ... only histories favorable to the South be used in North Carolina schools.

Paul, you've done more than any member to expose the total lack of discourse Trump's supporters are willing to engage in. They are a "wink and a nod", cult

Isn't it possible it was enough to communicate symbolically to Lost Cause sympathizers by having Oswald front for assassination of JFK from a distribution hub of Lost Cause propaganda text books, with a rifle purchased by "A. Hidell", an obscure name connected with V.P. of the confederate government, Alexander Hamilton Stephens of Washington, GA .... a "wink and a nod", in circumstances where openly taking responsibility for killing President Kennedy just past "high noon" in a city in a prominent state of the old confederacy, would have been counter productive to the Lost Cause?

To me, if this is what actually happened, how much more openly could they have communicated what they did, to those who would notice and appreciate it, than if they rented billboards displaying, "We, of the Lost Cause movement sponsored LEE Harvey Oswald, and what are you going to do about it?"

In my last post, I had the name of the lawyer representing the army vs. Sen. Joseph McCarthy wrong, it is actually Joseph N Welch, of the Hale and Doerr firm, in Boston.

Tom Scully - Posted July 29, 2011

Of course, it must be only coincidental that the sole suspect immediately branded as the lone nut assassin of President John F. Kennedy was accused of carrying identification, of ordering the alleged assassination weapon, of passing out literature stamped with the name, and of using the name on two applications of employment; the name of the son and the grandson of the secretary of the Vice President of the Confederate States of America.

That secretary happened to be Col. William Henry Hidell, CSA, and Hidell evidently thought so highly of the rebel Vice President....

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,888373,00.html
Books: Little Aleck

Monday, Sept. 16, 1946

ALEXANDER H. STEPHENS (337 pp.)—Rudolph von Abele—Knopf ($4).

...The people of the North, from Abraham Lincoln down, knew him as Little Aleck, devoted champion of states' rights and the constitutional liberties of all men—except Negroes. To the South he was Alexander Hamilton Stephens of Georgia, Vice President and chief enigma of the Confederacy....

http://www.archive.org/stream/littlealeckalife001558mbp/littlealeckalife001558mbp_djvu.txt

Full text of "Little Aleck A Life Of Alexander H. Stephens"

...that both his son, and later his grandson were named in "Little Aleck's" honor.:

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Pay-Per-View - Atlanta Constitution - Nov 9, 1890

Alexander S Hidell age. 13 Rome Ga. SECOND PRIZE. D. F. McClatchey Jr age. 13 Marietta. THIRD PRIZE. R. J. Travis age 13 Cov. ington. First Prize$18 Suit .

This is still an unsolved crime. The man the government has been working so hard to blame for nearly a half century was alleged to have been using the names of two men well known to some southerners and certainly to scholars of American History, especially in the midst of the craze of interest most of us old enough to remember, will recall as the Civil War Centennial years, 1961 to 1965. Isn't it especially curious and an outrage that no one came forward who was in a position to know, to describe these startling coincidences of names?

Was the purpose of the alleged "shooting" at Edwin Walker, a well planned smoke screen to eliminate the risk of telegraphing to interested parties that sons of the Confederacy, had indeed, assassinated a second, "Yankee" president, and gotten away with it, undetected? Could this still be a detail these "sons" snicker about, among themselves, when they are absolutely sure they are sharing their own company?

Who knows? These coincidences of names reaching into the highest levels of Confederate government leadership were twisted, defelected, and distorted so as to always be unnoticeable to those with no knowledge or inkling to look. But, how could everyone have no inkling, when the man the government so obsessively pinned the assassination on, was the man of the deep south, accused of killing the president in a former Confederate State, and who was the son of a man named enthusiastically for the most famous Confederate military commander?[/quote]

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/13931-488th-military-intelligence-detachment/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-242934
Tom Scully - Posted January 6, 2012 (edited)

.....Mccarthy Roe At Army If Hearings .Joseph Welch, Noted...
Windsor Star - Oct 6, 1960

Mr. Welch, an expert in crossexamination, worked without fee for the army. ....

Joseph N. Welch was with Hale & Dorr from 1923. After posting about Paul F. Hellmuth last night, and influenced by much of my other research, which all began with my reading the name Lester Crown, linked to Obama, is whether it is possible that Lester's brother-in-law, G. David Schine, was sheep dipped before LHO was?

Welch's wife's brochure influences me to think that Welch would have been aware through her, of V.P. of the Confederacy, Alexander "Little Alek" Stephens, and his loyal secretary, William H. Hidell, father of Alexander Stephens Hidell.:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17989&view=findpost&p=231505

http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/traveling-culture/chau1/pdf/lyndon/1/brochure.pdf


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_Georgia
Washington (originally called Heard's Fort) is a city in Wilkes County, Georgia, United States. The population was 4,295 at the 2000 census. The city is the county seat of Wilkes County[3]. The city is often referred to as Washington-Wilkes by locals, distinguishing it from any other Washington in the United States.

Washington has a number of restored antebellum, Victorian, and colonial homes along the narrow, tree-lined streets. Washington claims to have more antebellum homes per capita than any other city of its size in Georgia[citation needed]. Several sites in Washington are on the National Register of Historic Places including the Wilkes County Courthouse, the Robert Toombs State Historic Site, ...

...On April 3, 1865, with Union troops under Ulysses S. Grant poised to capture Richmond, Jefferson Davis escaped for Danville, Virginia, together with the Confederate cabinet. After leaving Danville, and continuing south, Davis met with his Confederate Cabinet for the last time on May 5, 1865 in Washington, Ga....
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Toombs

Robert Augustus Toombs (July 2, 1810 – December 15, 1885) was an American political leader, United States Senator from Georgia, 1st Secretary of State of the Confederacy, and a Confederate general in the Civil War.

Early life

Born near Washington, Wilkes County, Georgia, Robert Augustus Toombs was the fifth child of Catherine Huling and Robert Toombs. His father died when he was five, and he entered Franklin College at the University of Georgia in Athens when he was just fourteen. ....

Final years

When the Confederacy finally collapsed in 1865, Toombs barely escaped arrest by Union troops and went into hiding until he fled to Cuba on November 4, and then to London and Paris. He returned to the United States via Canada in 1867. Because he refused to request a pardon from Congress, he never regained his American citizenship. He did restore his lucrative law practice as an "unreconstructed" southerner. In addition, he dominated the Georgia constitutional convention of 1877, where once again he demonstrated the political skill and temperament that earlier had earned him a reputation as one of Georgia's most effective leaders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_H._Stephens

Alexander Hamilton Stephens (February 11, 1812 – March 4, 1883) was an American politician from Georgia. He was Vice President of the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War.

....Stephens and fellow Georgia Representative Robert Toombs campaigned for the election of Zachary Taylor as President in 1848. Both were chagrined and angered when Taylor proved less than pliable on aspects of the Compromise of 1850. Stephens and Toombs both supported the Compromise of 1850 though they opposed the exclusion of slavery from the territories on the theory that such lands belonged to all of the people. The pair returned to Georgia to secure support for the measures at home. Both men were instrumental in the drafting and approval of the Georgia Platform, which rallied Unionists throughout the Deep South.

Not only were Stephens and Toombs political allies, but they were lifelong friends. Stephens was described as "a highly sensitive young man of serious and joyless habits of consuming ambition, of poverty-fed pride, and of morbid preoccupation within self," a contrast to the "robust, wealthy, and convivial Toombs. But this strange camaraderie endured with singular accord throughout their lives."[3]...[/quote]

[John Mytton]

Which part of the testimony do you not understand?

Mr. BELIN. Do you have any master control ledger or book of any kind that has these control numbers on them?
Mr. SCIBOR. Yes. One copy is sent to what we call the booking department, and those are put into a master book, control book.
Mr. BELIN. Are you required by law to keep records of serial numbers of guns?
Mr. SCIBOR. Yes.

Yawn! Are you still banging on about this? This basic concept has already been explained to you, this time listen closely

Business records are perfectly acceptable as evidence. The Kleins business record(Waldman 4) indicates C2766 was received by Kleins. And Kleins business record( Waldman 7) indicates that C2766 was sent to Oswald's PO box. Case Closed!

Mr. BELIN. Well, I hand you what has been marked as Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 4 and ask you to state if you know what this is.
Mr. WALDMAN. This is the record created by us showing the control number we have assigned to the gun together with the serial number that is imprinted in the frame of the gun.
Mr. BELIN. Now, this is a photostat, I believe, of records you have in front of you on your desk right now?
Mr. WALDMAN. That's correct.
Mr. BELIN. Do you find anywhere on Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 4 the serial number C--2766?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. And what is your control number for that?
Mr. WALDMAN. Our control number for that is VC-836.



Mr. BELIN. ...Now, I'm going to hand you what has been marked as Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 7 and ask you to state if you know what this is.
Mr. WALDMAN. This is a cops made from our microfilm reader-printer of Dallas, Tex. I want to clarify that this is not the order, itself, received from Mr. Hidell, but it's a form created by us internally from an order received from Mr. Hidell on a small coupon taken from an advertisement of ours in a magazine.
Mr. BELIN. This Waldman Deposition Exhibit No. 7 is a print from the micro- film negative which we just viewed upstair; is that correct?
Mr. WALDMAN. That's correct.



JohnM