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Author Topic: Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. 53 pieces of Evidence against Oswald.  (Read 7928 times)

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Wow, JFK assassination scholars, that's hilarious, how many of your "scholars" have even looked at more than a handful of different cases and how many have actually stepped into a courtroom and either prosecuted or defended anybody? Bugliosi had the vast courtroom experience of prosecuting over 100 varying cases which included over 20 murder cases and therefore understood how to analyse eyewitnesses and evidence, whereas the majority of the "JFK assassination scholars" as compared to Bugliosi have virtually zero experience outside of this little bubble and show time and time again absolutely no deductive reasoning skills.

Btw Bugliosi successfully prosecuted 105 cases out of 106  felony jury trials, how many court cases have you or any of your mates won?

JohnM

So, just because Bugs won those cases, he's automatically right about this one... Is that what you are saying?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Bugliosi had vast courtroom experience and therefore knew how to BS a jury.
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Bugliosi had vast courtroom experience and therefore knew how to BS a jury.

Indeed.

What "John Mytton" fails to understand or simply ignores is that Bug's doorstopper is, just like the WC report before it, nothing more than a one sided prosecutorial narrative which has remained uncontested by a defense narrative for obvious reasons. The veractity and quality of the arguments brought forward by the prosecutor have never been scrutinized.

50% of a story is no story at all.
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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BugZ spent 20 years writing several chapters on what the WR says in one line or two. Save the time and trouble and just turn to page 1461 where he wrote--- "Oswald did it"  ;D

Offline Michael T. Griffith

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It's interesting to note that Bugliosi was a big-time conspiracy theorist when it came to the RFK assassination. He was heavily involved with conspiracy theorists who were filing lawsuits to get the LAPD to release their RFK assassination materials. Bugliosi did a lot of the investigative work that supported the legal briefs in those lawsuits. He spoke on college campuses and told his audiences that RFK was killed by a conspiracy, and that the LAPD had suppressed evidence that Sirhan Sirhan could not have fired all the shots and was not even in position to fire the shot that hit RFK in the head.

But, when it came to the JFK assassination, Bugliosi was a blind, robotic denier of conspiracy, perhaps because of his association with David Atlee Phillips, a CIA officer who was seen meeting with Oswald in Dallas in 1963. To get an idea of just how bad Bugliosi's book is, check out these articles:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/bugliosi-vincent-reclaiming-history-aguilar

http://www.reclaiminghistory.org/

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Debugging_Bugliosi.html

https://themantikview.com/pdf/Boo_Review.pdf
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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    "The location of Kennedy's wounds suggested that his assailant had stood behind him,
     but witnesses said that Sirhan stood facing west, about a yard away from Kennedy,
     as he moved through the pantry facing east. This has led to the suggestion that a
     second gunman actually fired the fatal shot, a possibility supported by Chief Medical
     Examiner-Coroner for the County of Los Angeles Thomas Noguchi, who stated that
     the fatal shot was behind Kennedy's right ear and had been fired at a distance of
     approximately one inch. Other witnesses said that as Sirhan approached, Kennedy
     was turning to his left, shaking hands, facing north and so exposing his right side."
          -- Wikipedia

The best book is "The Killing of Robert F. Kennedy: An Investigation of Motive, Means, and Opportunity" by Dan E. Moldea.

    "In November 2006, BBC Television's Newsnight aired a 12-minute screening of Shane
     O'Sullivan's documentary RFK Must Die. O'Sullivan stated that while researching a
     screenplay based on the Manchurian candidate theory, he "uncovered new video and photo-
     graphic evidence suggesting that three senior CIA operatives were behind the killing of the
     Senator". He claimed that three men seen in video and photographs at the Ambassador
     Hotel immediately before and after the assassination were positively identified as
     CIA operatives David Sánchez Morales, Gordon Campbell and George Joannides.

     Several people who had known Morales, including family members, were adamant that
     he was not the man whom O'Sullivan claimed was Morales. After O'Sullivan published
     his book, assassination researchers Jefferson Morley and David Talbot discovered that
     Campbell had died of a heart attack in 1962, six years before the assassination. In
     response, O'Sullivan stated that the man on the video may have used Campbell's name
     as an alias. He then took his identifications to the Los Angeles Police Department, whose
     files showed the men he identified as Campbell and Joannides to be Michael Roman and
     Frank Owens, two Bulova sales managers attending the company's convention at the
     Ambassador. O'Sullivan stood by his allegations, stating that the Bulova watch company
     was a "well-known CIA cover".

Looks like the RFK case attracts die-hard kooks as well.

Moldea's book is garbage, total garbage. Is there no government fairy tale that you do not swallow hook, line, and sinker? 

A far better book is Robert Joling and Philip Van Praag's book An Open and Shut Case. Joling is a forensic expert and a past president of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. Praag is a world-renowned audio engineer and recording technology expert. Here is a review of their book:

https://kennedysandking.com/robert-f-kennedy-reviews/joling-robert-j-d-and-philip-van-praag-an-open-and-shut-case

Another superb book on the RFK case is The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy: Crime Conspiracy & Cover-Up: A New Investigation, published just last month, written by Tim Tate and Brad Johnson. Tate is an award-winning investigative journalist and documentary film maker. Johnson is an award-winning TV news writer, editor, and producer.

I guess you missed the news that in 2004 a journalist's recording of the RFK assassination was found in the CA state archives, and that three sets of experts have found that it contains at least two more shots than Sirhan's gun could have fired. One of those experts is Philip Van Praag:

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs038/1100889772973/archive/1101984250645.html

I provide several more links, including links to videos, on this acoustical evidence on my RFK assassination website:

https://sites.google.com/view/the-rfk-assassination/home

Finally, every single witness in the pantry said that Sirhan never, ever, ever got within 3 feet of RFK, but the autopsy, which was superb, established that the gun that fired the head shot was no more than 1.5 inches from the head.

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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Right. And there is virtually no conspiracy theory and wacky belief you won't latch onto. Golden plates. LOL. Lost Cause. Pearl Harbor. What an id--t.

Let's start with your anti-religious bigotry. So I suppose that in your view, the resurrection of Jesus Christ is a "wacky belief" too, since it involves the supernatural and a resurrected being, right?

I'm not a Lost Causer. I've corrected you on this lie several times. Lost Causers don't maintain websites that praise Lincoln and McClellan. Are you just clueless about Civil War scholarship?

Pearl Harbor? Well, a whole bunch of admirals, members of Congress, and even a former president said there was evidence that FDR had advance knowledge that the Japanese would attack. And with the release of formerly classified files, we now have clear evidence that some senior military leaders and FDR administration officials knew the Japanese fleet was heading toward Pearl Harbor before it attacked.

The Bobby Kennedy Assassination Tape: Were 13 Shots Fired or Only 8? Link

    "After listening to the recording, some acoustic experts say Van Praag
     misidentified some sound impulses as gun shots and that only seven
     or eight shots could be heard on the low-fidelity tape. Forensic acoustics
     engineer Philip Harrison said, “I can’t find any more than the seven shots
     that are there.” In 2013, comments by Harrison and others helped
     convince U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew J. Wistrich that the tape was no
     smoking gun. “Van Praag’s opinion is far from ‘conclusive’ evidence of a
     second gunman,” Wistrich wrote, “because other experts analyzing the
     Pruszynski recording have reached contrary conclusions.”

So you take Harrison's analysis over that of Van Praag and over that of the four other experts who have confirmed that the tape contains more than 8 shots? The presence of more than 8 shots on the tape has been confirmed by forensic audio specialists Wes Dooley and Paul Pegas of Audio Engineering Associates in Pasadena, California; by forensic audio and ballistics expert Eddy B. Brixen in Copenhagen, Denmark; and by audio specialist Phil Spencer Whitehead of the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, Georgia. But, nah, you'll take Harrison's word over Van Praag's, Dooley's, Pegas's, Brixen's, and Whitehead's.

Furthermore, Harrison merely used a copy of the tape, didn't use any of the specialized equipment that Van Praag used, didn't use any of the test or enhanced recordings that Van Praag made, didn't address the two 120-150-millisecond double-shot groups, and admitted there were several other impulses on the tape whose sources he could not identify. Also, it turned out that Harrison was not even aware of Pruszynski's movements and did not know where the microphone was. Apparently, conspiracy denier Mel Ayton did not give Harrison all the facts when he asked him to analyze the tape. For once, just for once, educate yourself before you comment further:


Of the several experts who have studied the tape, Van Praag is the most qualified, just FYI.

That's like saying "every" witness to the JFK assassination said the limousine came to a complete stop during the shooting. Or every Parkland observer saw a hole at the very back of the President's head.

No, it is not. It just so happens that every single witness in the pantry who commented on Sirhan's and RFK's relative positions said that Sirhan never, ever, ever got closer than 3-4 feet to Bobby.

And I have not even mentioned the ballistics evidence yet, which strongly supports the conspiracy conclusion. You're aware that the LAPD criminalist, DeWayne Wolfer, who handled the ballistics evidence in the RFK case, was later exposed as a quack and a fraud, right? You know this, right?

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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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I'm not alone in casting huge amounts of doubt on Angel Moroni directing Joseph Smith to a hill in Upstate New York in 1823 to find golden engraved plates that were translated using seer stones. It's a con. That area was rampant with religious nuts and extremists. Presidential assassin Charles J. Guiteau joined a cult in that area and he claimed God told him to kill Garfield.

You didn't answer my question.

If the Book of Mormon is a "con," how do you explain the evidence of its authenticity, such as the Hebraisms in the book, the discovery of the town of Nahom in Arabia (which was unknown in Joseph Smith's day), the discovery of an amazing candidate for the Land Bountiful in Yemen (which was unknown until the 1990s), the huge amounts of chiasmus in the book, the computer wordprint analyses that prove that many different authors wrote the book (just as the book claims), etc., etc.?

One can admire Lincoln and claim the South had a just cause.

LOL! Okay, partner, I'll tell you what: You go on any of the major online Civil War discussion forums and you find me such a person! Better yet, go find me a person who not only admires Lincoln but who defends and praises George McClellan but who also claims the South had a just cause! As usual, you have no clue what you are talking about.

By the way, I do not believe the South had just cause to secede. I used to argue this, but I changed my mind a few years ago. I still believe they had a constitutional and natural right to secede, but that they had no valid reason to secede.

Well, of course you believe it.

Well, yeah, I believe it because we now have released files that prove it. I'm guessing that, as with most other issues you discuss, you've done very little reading on this subject. Have you, by chance, heard of the Hoover-Ladd memos, where they discuss the fact that the chief of Army Counterintelligence worriedly had informed the FBI on December 10, three days after the attack, that Army intelligence knew at least two days before the attack that the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbor? Mind you, these memos were never intended to see the light of day--they were not released until the 1990s and were apparently released due to a clerical error.

How about OP-20-G message 7001? Heard of that? It proves that the East Wind Rain message that signaled war was in fact intercepted, contrary to the Truman administration's later denials. The message was discovered by two eminent Pearl Harbor scholars, Roger Pineau and John Costello, both of whom had previously denied there was any evidence of advance knowledge.

How about the TESTM and COMSUM records that were finally pried loose by FOIA suits, which prove that Navy Intelligence was able to read quite a bit of the Japanese naval code, that they were tracking the Japanese task force heading toward Pearl Harbor, and that they knew that the task force was not in Japanese home waters but in the North Pacific?

Any clue about any of this stuff?

LOL. Academic ranking coming from you?

So obviously you have no idea about who Van Praag is and about his qualifications and standing in the field of acoustics and audio recording technology. If you ever gather up the integrity to read the other side, you would discover that, yes, he is the most qualified of the experts who have analyzed the tape.

That would be nice if the witnesses were braced against the opposite wall knowing the assassination was to occur. Then they could be prepared to record every nuance of the incident. But they were in a crowded poorly-lit hallway when something unexpected suddenly happened. I would bet most didn't turn to look towards RFK until 3 or 4 shots were fired and they initially just saw bodies intertwined in a struggle.

This is beyond lame. We're talking about their universal recollection of where RFK and Sirhan were located in relation to each other. Some of them were standing within a few feet of Bobby and/or Sirhan. Every single one of them independently recalled that Sirhan was never closer than 3-4 feet to RFK.

I associate quack and fraud more so with you.

Yet you're the one who has been repeatedly caught making utterly erroneous claims? Shall we revisit the howlers you penned about the backyard rifle photos and the single-bullet theory?

Anyway, so you just don't care to know that the ballistics evidence supports conspiracy. Nor do you care that the LAPD criminalist who made the bogus ballistics claims was later exposed as a charlatan. Who cares, right?

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