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Offline Chris Davidson

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2728 on: October 21, 2023, 07:26:54 PM »
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What object is covering the jaw/chin line?
What arm orientation works with what is seen in Bell?
« Last Edit: October 21, 2023, 07:37:13 PM by Chris Davidson »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2728 on: October 21, 2023, 07:26:54 PM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2729 on: October 21, 2023, 08:03:04 PM »
What object is covering the jaw/chin line?

Hmmmm............. Well spotted, sir!

Cf. that very area in the version of the photograph shown live on TV by Mr. Walter Cronkite evening 11/22:


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2730 on: October 21, 2023, 10:55:59 PM »
I would expect to see at least somewhat of a completed jaw/chin line when objects are behind one another from the photographers perspective:
Something like this:


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2730 on: October 21, 2023, 10:55:59 PM »


Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2731 on: October 21, 2023, 11:58:11 PM »
So!

Back to reality................

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I have four simple questions for anyone on Team Keep LHO Off Dem Steps (well, anyone other than Mr. O'Meara, who is excused on compassionate grounds) that doubts my claim that Towner shows Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald in the doorway waving a flag at Pres. Kennedy whilst Mr. Billy Lovelady is seated on the steps just to his east:

1. What do YOU believe is being waved here?

2. Where do YOU believe it is being waved from?

3. Who do YOU believe is waving it?

4. To whom do YOU believe the red area behind the flag, marked below by yellow arrows, belongs?


You've actually solved this conundrum without realising it.
In an earlier post you made the following observation:

Friends, I've long been bugged by how pink Mrs. Madie Reese's coat is showing up in Towner:



But nothing like a Davidson Stabilization to sort out signal from noise.

That pink ain't from Mrs. Reese's coat. It chiefly belongs to the raised (unsleeved) right forearm of this lady whom Towner catches after she's raised it to wave:



If you look to the left of the woman you identified there is another woman dressed in black. As the limo passes she raises her arm and is waving something. She can be seen quite clearly in this gif:



Going back to Towner.
If you are correct in your interpretation then we should be able to see the woman dressed in black, with her arm raised, waving something.
In the pic below the woman you identified is in the orange box.
To the left of her is the woman dressed in black with her arm raised:



It can hardly be a coincidence that where we would expect to see whatever the woman in black is waving is the same area we see "Oswald's Flag".



Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2732 on: October 22, 2023, 12:17:02 AM »
If you look to the left of the woman you identified there is another woman dressed in black. As the limo passes she raises her arm and is waving something. She can be seen quite clearly in this gif:

Wow----------great work, Mr. O'Meara! What keen eyes you have!

Now try actually reading the next bit of that post of mine (#2714) you've so cackhandedly tried to respond to.

This will end about as well for you as your 'It's not Lovelady it's Dougherty!' humiliation. But will you make mature use of yet another teachable moment? Fat chance ::)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2732 on: October 22, 2023, 12:17:02 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2733 on: October 22, 2023, 03:51:33 PM »


The above stabilized frames from Towner put it beyond question that the movement of Red Shirt Man's body corresponds to the movement of the object he's waving.

But---------------to return to a question posed by Mr. Mason----------------how come we cannot see Red Shirt Man's head?

It seems unlikely that his head is fully shadowed by the western column. Though further cross-referencing with the momentary shadowing of his head in Hughes is needed to rule this out definitively. Certainly half of his body (the western half) appears to be in natural shadow, so might he possibly have his head tilted west during the Towner frames?

Absent that natural explanation, we have the possibility that his head has simply been blacked out by the 'investigators'.

There may, however, be a third possibility, and it's a startling one:

What if we are in fact seeing the back of Red Shirt Man's head? That is to say, what if Red Shirt Man (a.k.a. Mr. Oswald) has turned his back on the motorcade-------------as part of his staged 'protest'?

It is certainly striking that, even when he leans east (viewer's right) to pump the flag at a lower elevation, all we see is red---------no white tshirt, as one would expect given that he has at least several buttons of his shirt open. The only light color we see in that area belongs to the raised left sleeve of the black gentleman in front.

Has Mr. Oswald turned his back on the P. Parade, such that he is now pumping the flag with his right arm?

As well as enhancing the political protest element, it would certainly offer Pres. Kennedy an unmistakable thing to look out for.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2023, 03:55:41 PM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2734 on: October 23, 2023, 01:36:56 AM »
Wow----------great work, Mr. O'Meara! What keen eyes you have!

Now try actually reading the next bit of that post of mine (#2714) you've so cackhandedly tried to respond to.

This will end about as well for you as your 'It's not Lovelady it's Dougherty!' humiliation. But will you make mature use of yet another teachable moment? Fat chance ::)

I say the pink chiefly belongs to her, because Miss Towner's POV is giving us a blend of this lady's unsleeved right forearm and that of the lady standing and waving a few feet behind her. Mr. Davidson's stabilized version of Towner allows us to see the flapping up and down of the hands (to viewer's right of the object being waved in the doorway):


Hmmm...
The raised arm of the woman in black is on the left of the object being waved (as we look at it)




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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2735 on: October 23, 2023, 11:19:14 AM »


Not even close, lol.

Look at the SYNCED Bell-Towner frames in the GIF below. Use this man in khaki as your reference point:





The up-and-down flicker coming from the hand of the woman you identify is too far east of the man in khaki's head to possibly be the object we see in Towner flapping behind him.

And: the way the waving object in Towner moves is NOT in sync with the flickering movement from the woman-in-Bell's hand. The waving object in Towner moves erratically down and to its left; the lady's waving hand undergoes no such change, being a much more placid up-and-down affair. That's because they are two entirely different objects.

And: thanks to Mr. Davidson's stabilized GIF of Towner, we can see the flapping hands---------to the east (viewer's right) of Mr. Oswald's flag:



The ladies' hands line up closely because of Miss Towner's POV, from a spot well east and north of Mr. Bell.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2023, 11:28:27 AM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2735 on: October 23, 2023, 11:19:14 AM »