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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2792 on: October 27, 2023, 09:35:36 AM »
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"The fluttering coming from the hand of the lady in black in Bell is...at all times clearly east of khaki man's head"



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Your sly use of ellipses gives away that you know darn well what the problem is.

Here are the words you excised in quoting me: "in the synced frames"

So! Compare the frame you have just posted with ANY one of the synced frames. See the difference in the position of the Lady#1's hand? That difference right there is why your argument is bust.
 
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2793 on: October 28, 2023, 01:07:11 AM »
Well, if you can show us a sample of the fetching two-tone number DPD issued for that season, we're all eyes



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2794 on: October 28, 2023, 06:59:39 AM »
Hi Chris and Zeon, This is a mystery lady in blue carrying a camera and Rosemary Willis in white and red, running from right to left, and they end up in between Billy and Maddie but are closer to the camera on the south side of Elm Street. They add the various blue or white, and red to Hughes. Thank you both for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael



I read somewhere recently that the Mystery Camera Woman in blue is Wilma Bond. I do not think the pictures she took of the entrance of the TSBD made it into her collection. It is too bad that so many films and pictures were confiscated. Just as the media was immediately controlled for example Mary Woodward's story written before President Kennedy was pronounced dead. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael
 

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2795 on: October 29, 2023, 09:48:52 AM »
~Grin~

Your sly use of ellipses gives away that you know darn well what the problem is.

Here are the words you excised in quoting me: "in the synced frames"

So! Compare the frame you have just posted with ANY one of the synced frames. See the difference in the position of the Lady#1's hand? That difference right there is why your argument is bust.
 
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Friends, Mr. O'Meara's little piece of sneakiness gave the game away in the most amusing fashion.

The full sequence from Bell shows Lady#1 (the lady in black) move her hand west to a point where it appears to be behind khaki man's head:



But! In the Bell frames that Mr. Davidson synced with Towner, she hasn't yet started moving her hand west. It is still appearing visibly east of khaki man's head. Nor is there anything in her hand blowing to her right (viewer's left) such as might make up the gap between her hand and the back of his head------------nope, we are at all times afforded an unobstructed view of the white TSBD stonework in the background:



And yet a waving object is already making its appearance behind khaki man's head in the SYNCED Towner frames. Look at the last paused frame here:



How is this possible? Easy: the waving object that appears in Towner behind khaki man's head is coming from the doorway. There is no other rational explanation.

Had Miss Towner kept her camera on the doorway another couple of seconds, then Lady#1's hand might well have appeared in front of the object waving in the doorway. But the synced frames allow us to categorically rule out the fluttering coming from her hand as the source of the waving object in Towner.

So---------------after all Mr. O'Meara's blowhard huffing and puffing, after all his bad-faith gaslighting----------------we're back just where we started:

Red Shirt Man energetically waving a flag (or somesuch) at Pres. Kennedy:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2796 on: October 30, 2023, 02:02:37 AM »
I’m Towner, Not only the head is missing, but there’s no body of Oswald either so I’m not sure leaning against the west wall would provide enough shadow to completely hide Oswald’s body.

So 1. the flapping flag banner thingy must be obscuring all of the body of Oswald , while just his head is in the shadow ,
or 2. he is bending down so both his head and body are behind the banner,
or 3. conspirators added black spray to remove the head and upper body, 
or 4. the flapping thingy is the flag of the woman behind black hat cowboy man and the different perspective angle of Towner vs Bell shifts the position of the woman relative to the TSBD behind the woman.

I’d like to rule out option 4. because it would ruin a whole year of logical speculation that was necessary to replace the previous  logically speculated PM theory.

I’ll have to wait and see if some people with computer programs that generate perspective views from fixed points in plan view can determine if the flag waving woman’s position can shift from being in front of the perforated wall to be in front of the TSBD entrance.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2797 on: October 30, 2023, 09:29:11 AM »
I’ll have to wait and see if some people with computer programs that generate perspective views from fixed points in plan view can determine if the flag waving woman’s position can shift from being in front of the perforated wall to be in front of the TSBD entrance.

No need to wait and see, Mr. Mason-------------just look at the synced frames using your own two eyes. Mr. O'Meara has already done that. It's why he felt the need to edit my words!
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2798 on: November 06, 2023, 03:32:15 AM »
To continue on with this Oswald flag waving theory , then there must be a plausible explanation for the absence of Oswald’s  head and body in the Towner film.
 
A. The camera was focused on the foreground and thus the background area behind Carl Jones is just dark because it’s out of focus?

B. The original Towner film DID have head and body of Oswald  in sunlight and the conspirators/ cover Up artists blackened out this area behind Carl Jones similar to the shadow on Lovelady in Weigman film?

If neither A nor B are plausible then imo, the PM= Oswald theory should be revisited

Reasons to revisit :
1.The arms of PM do NOT appear to be like those of a woman’s bare arms because of what appears to be dark pixelated portions of the forearm that suggest a man’s hairy arm and a muscular shape more similar to Oswald’s arms than to Pauline Sanders.
2. The object in PMs hands are less likely to be a camera, lighter, white bread, or a small white coffee cup than to be simply a bottle of soda held in the hand with a white napkin.
3. The head shape of PM resembles Oswald’s oblong shaped face more so than Pauline Sanders round face
4. PM is not wearing any glasses.
5. The hair shape is more similar to Oswald’s than to Sanders.
6. A vast majority of CTs as well as Marina Oswald herself , think the PM figure resembles  Oswald.
7. The west corner  of the TSBD entrance is the most probable place Oswald could be and NOT have been noticed.
8. It may be possible that The 5’2” height of PM relative to BW Frazier, can be demonstrated as Oswald standing with BOTH feet on one 7” step lower than the top landing and no part of body is illuminated by sunlight.
9. There is no statement from Pauline Sanders to  suggest she moved from east side of the TSBD landing to PMs position.
10. Coincidentally , a bottle was left at the west side step approximately where PM would be standing on one step lower than the top landing.
10b. Sanders did not have a bottle of soda.
11. The bottle by the steps is NOT  likely the Dr.Pepper seen in the photo of DPD police officers hands as it is questionable if a police officer would leave a bottle on steps ( littering) rather than discard it properly.
12. Only 2 persons in this thread have claimed that  another version of film frames from Darnell film must be accepted as proof that the neckline of PM cannot be Oswald’s .
13. The PM theory fits well with the timeline of Oswald having at 12:25 -12:27 been in the Domino room and saw Harold Norman and James Jarman going past as they reentered TSBD via back loading dock door.
14.To believe that Oswald could be unfurling a flag and vigorously waving it while in FRONT of  BW.Frazier and obscuring Loveladys LOS, and that neither of these men would remember that detail has no reasonable explanation. Fear or complicity By remaining silent or “missing the gorilla in the midst of basketball player” because of focus on the POTUS , are all improbable explanations.
15. The last from BW Frazier about who PM was suggests he MAY have actually seen Oswald there as PM because BWF thought at first PM was Lovelady only to realize later that Lovelady had left the steps. BWF Changing his mind to suggest he’s 100% certain PM is not Oswald while simultaneously suggesting 100% UNCERTAINTY who PM is, is an absurd statement. Perhaps at this late stage BWF needs to undergo hypnosis to retrieve what is buried in his subconscious mind.

In conclusion, the PM=Oswald theory is the simpler theory that fits the Domino room 12:25-27 timeline well, allows a very plausible explanation how Oswald was unnoticed standing quietly in the west back corner of the TSBD landing drinking his coke or Dr Pepper, and requires no convoluted alternate plot of mischief involving JFK himself.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2799 on: November 07, 2023, 11:44:18 AM »
To continue on with this Oswald flag waving theory , then there must be a plausible explanation for the absence of Oswald’s  head and body in the Towner film.
 
A. The camera was focused on the foreground and thus the background area behind Carl Jones is just dark because it’s out of focus?

B. The original Towner film DID have head and body of Oswald  in sunlight and the conspirators/ cover Up artists blackened out this area behind Carl Jones similar to the shadow on Lovelady in Weigman film?

If neither A nor B are plausible then imo, the PM= Oswald theory should be revisited

Reasons to revisit :
1.The arms of PM do NOT appear to be like those of a woman’s bare arms because of what appears to be dark pixelated portions of the forearm that suggest a man’s hairy arm and a muscular shape more similar to Oswald’s arms than to Pauline Sanders.
2. The object in PMs hands are less likely to be a camera, lighter, white bread, or a small white coffee cup than to be simply a bottle of soda held in the hand with a white napkin.
3. The head shape of PM resembles Oswald’s oblong shaped face more so than Pauline Sanders round face
4. PM is not wearing any glasses.
5. The hair shape is more similar to Oswald’s than to Sanders.
6. A vast majority of CTs as well as Marina Oswald herself , think the PM figure resembles  Oswald.
7. The west corner  of the TSBD entrance is the most probable place Oswald could be and NOT have been noticed.
8. It may be possible that The 5’2” height of PM relative to BW Frazier, can be demonstrated as Oswald standing with BOTH feet on one 7” step lower than the top landing and no part of body is illuminated by sunlight.
9. There is no statement from Pauline Sanders to  suggest she moved from east side of the TSBD landing to PMs position.
10. Coincidentally , a bottle was left at the west side step approximately where PM would be standing on one step lower than the top landing.
10b. Sanders did not have a bottle of soda.
11. The bottle by the steps is NOT  likely the Dr.Pepper seen in the photo of DPD police officers hands as it is questionable if a police officer would leave a bottle on steps ( littering) rather than discard it properly.
12. Only 2 persons in this thread have claimed that  another version of film frames from Darnell film must be accepted as proof that the neckline of PM cannot be Oswald’s .
13. The PM theory fits well with the timeline of Oswald having at 12:25 -12:27 been in the Domino room and saw Harold Norman and James Jarman going past as they reentered TSBD via back loading dock door.
14.To believe that Oswald could be unfurling a flag and vigorously waving it while in FRONT of  BW.Frazier and obscuring Loveladys LOS, and that neither of these men would remember that detail has no reasonable explanation. Fear or complicity By remaining silent or “missing the gorilla in the midst of basketball player” because of focus on the POTUS , are all improbable explanations.
15. The last from BW Frazier about who PM was suggests he MAY have actually seen Oswald there as PM because BWF thought at first PM was Lovelady only to realize later that Lovelady had left the steps. BWF Changing his mind to suggest he’s 100% certain PM is not Oswald while simultaneously suggesting 100% UNCERTAINTY who PM is, is an absurd statement. Perhaps at this late stage BWF needs to undergo hypnosis to retrieve what is buried in his subconscious mind.

In conclusion, the PM=Oswald theory is the simpler theory that fits the Domino room 12:25-27 timeline well, allows a very plausible explanation how Oswald was unnoticed standing quietly in the west back corner of the TSBD landing drinking his coke or Dr Pepper, and requires no convoluted alternate plot of mischief involving JFK himself.

Oswald had plenty of opportunities to give an alibi but he never did because he couldn't, Oswald was on the 6th floor killing the President!

Oswald: "I work in that building."
Reporter: "Were you in that building at the time?"
Oswald: "Naturally if I work in that building, yes sir."


@1:19 hear Oswald's own voice.


Btw Oswald waving a flag? Hahahahaha.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2799 on: November 07, 2023, 11:44:18 AM »