Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan Ford]

It is theoretically possible that this encounter happened after Officer Baker and Mr Truly returned to the first floor.

However! We also have this, from the New York Herald Tribune 11/23--------------



Unlike Mr Kent Biffle's DMN report, this gives us a direct quotation from Mr Campbell.

WE raced BACK into the building: Officer Baker didn't race BACK into the building....... this must therefore refer to Depository people (at least two, one of whom being Mr Campbell).

Did Mr Biffle conflate two different Oswald encounters, one involving Officer Baker and Mr Truly, the other involving Mr Campbell and someone else (= perhaps Ms Jeraldean Reid, the person who said she was with Mr Campbell and Mr Truly watching the parade-------and who, per Ms Karen Scranton's account, talked of Mr Oswald's having come to "the door"----of the storage room?----when people were milling and walking and so forth and her having told him someone had shot the President...?)

[Dan O'meara]

The whole point of the invented lunchroom story is to explain away two real encounters

 

Here you are again, waffling on about the invented lunchroom story as if it's a real thing.

Who invented it?
When did they invent it?
Who is involved in it?

(just make something up)

[Dan O'meara]

As for Molina, if Williams and Sanders are to his left, then does not that place Molina on the top level landing rather than several steps down?

Molina is stood on the top step/landing area.

[Dan O'meara]

Alan, I've reread the "second floor lunchroom" tale in the W.R. ( pages 149-156) and there certainly seems to be major problems with Baker's story....  Particularly with his tale of spotting Lee walking east in the small vestibule which was at the west end of the lunchroom.   That vestibule was so small ( about 4 feet across) that it could be traversed with about two normal steps....  Baker said that he caught a fleeting glimpse of a man walking across the vestibule so he walked across the area at the top of the stairs to the west door into the lunch room and saw the man (Lee Oswald) walking toward the rear ( east end) of the lunchroom, and ordered him to "come here".   Problem.....If Lee was a fleeing killer he could easily have exited out the north door (which was just a couple of feet east of the Coke machine) of the lunchroom,  before Baker could have crossed the second floor landing....

The distance from the door at the west end of the lunchroom to the door just east of the coke machine was about 12 feet, while the distance from the top of the stairs to the door at the west end of the lunchroom was about 25 feet and Baker had to open the vestibule door .   

Bottom line:... In reality, If Lee had been a fleeing assassin and there was any validity to the tale....Lee wouldn't have been in that lunchroom....  He would have exited the lunchroom through the north door, before Baker could have reached the Vestibule door.

It appears that you may be onto a major flaw in the official tale....  Can you post some of the info from the WR...

We know the encounter didn't take place on the fourth floor. Dorothy Garner prevents that.
What about the third floor?



Look in the top left hand corner.
The gap between the stairs and the elevators is about 15ft. Can the encounter described by Baker have taken place in this tiny space?

[Alan Ford]

We know the encounter didn't take place on the fourth floor. Dorothy Garner prevents that.
What about the third floor?



Look in the top left hand corner.
The gap between the stairs and the elevators is about 15ft. Can the encounter described by Baker have taken place in this tiny space?

The one where the new Mr Doyle shows he doesn't understand the difference between the UP stairs and the DOWN stairs! 

[Walt Cakebread]

We know the encounter didn't take place on the fourth floor. Dorothy Garner prevents that.
What about the third floor?



Look in the top left hand corner.
The gap between the stairs and the elevators is about 15ft. Can the encounter described by Baker have taken place in this tiny space?

Thanks for posting the plat of the third floor....The viewer can see that Baker could not have seen a man whom he said was in front of the elevators, and  walking away from the stairs.   The wall of the room blocked his view of the area in front of the elevators.....   And if the man had been in the small area at the top of the stairs Baker wouldn't have need to call out to him and order him to "Come here".   The Plat you've posted precludes  and rules out the 3rd floor...and There were many people on the fourth floor...so Baker had to have been referring to the fifth floor as the site where he saw the "dark haired, 165 pound man," who was wearing a light brown ( khaki colored) jacket.

[Dan O'meara]

Thanks for posting the plat of the third floor....The viewer can see that Baker could not have seen a man whom he said was in front of the elevators, and  walking away from the stairs.   The wall of the room blocked his view of the area in front of the elevators.....   And if the man had been in the small area at the top of the stairs Baker wouldn't have need to call out to him and order him to "Come here".   The Plat you've posted precludes  and rules out the 3rd floor...and There were many people on the fourth floor...so Baker had to have been referring to the fifth floor as the site where he saw the "dark haired, 165 pound man," who was wearing a light brown ( khaki colored) jacket.

It seems clear Baker was simply mistaken about which floor the encounter happened on. The fact he's not sure if it was three or four says it all. As we can see it didn't happen on three or four.
Yet another problem for Mr Ford and his fake Hoax   

[Alan Ford]

Thanks for posting the plat of the third floor....The viewer can see that Baker could not have seen a man whom he said was in front of the elevators, and  walking away from the stairs.

Where does Officer Baker say the man was in front of the elevators?