Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Dan O'meara]

Lol, you still haven't explained how you magically know exactly where Officer Baker's affidavit description-------"As we reached the (...) floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway"-------places him and the man at the moment Officer Baker first sees him:

It is you and you're made up hoax that wants the encounter anywhere other than the second floor lunchroom.
It's you insisting it took place on either the third or fourth floor (notice how vague this is, as if Baker couldn't recall properly)
We know it didn't take place on the fourth floor (Dorothy Garner)
So it's you insisting this encounter takes place on the third floor.
So why don't you tell us where this man was who Baker reported encountering in the TSBD.



Is the man at the top of the stairs (where DN) is?
Is the man on the other side of the door near the top of the stairs? (Where it says "Hall")
Is the man walking towards the "Up" stairs?

Where's it gonna be Alan?

[Alan Ford]

Is the man at the top of the stairs (where DN) is?

Yes, that's possible.

Is the man on the other side of the door near the top of the stairs? (Where it says "Hall")

Yes, that's possible.

Is the man walking towards the "Up" stairs?

How about *away* from them?

[Dan O'meara]

Yes, that's possible.

Yes, that's possible.

How about *away* from them?

You mean away from the Up stairs towards the elevators?
Exactly as I have been talking about all along?

[Walt Cakebread]

It clearly didn't happen on the third floor Alan.
The space is too small.
Why would Baker have to call out to someone he could have leaned over and touched.
How could Oswald be described as coming back towards Baker when it would have taken two strides.
It doesn't make any sense.
Baker was mistaken, his statement displays this uncertainty, he was unfamiliar with the building and full of adrenaline. The only reason he mentions the encounter is because it's the only thing of any significance that happens during his "search" of the TSBD.

There is no invented hoax. You can't provide one scrap of evidence that it exists. But that won't stop you waffling on about it.

Baker was mistaken, his statement displays this uncertainty, he was unfamiliar with the building and full of adrenaline. The only reason he mentions the encounter is because it's the only thing of any significance that happens during his "search" of the TSBD.


I believe you're right Dan, ol man. Bakr did not encounter a man on either the 3rd or  4th floor....   However as you've pointed out, Baker DID in fact encounter a "DARK HAIRED,"---"  165 POUND"  man, who was wearing a "LIGHT BROWN JACKET"  and that man was walking away from the stairs in a dimly lit area near the elevators.....( yes, Baker did say that the area was dimly lit)   I believe the only floor Baker could have been referring to was the 5th floor.

[Walt Cakebread]

It is you and you're made up hoax that wants the encounter anywhere other than the second floor lunchroom.
It's you insisting it took place on either the third or fourth floor (notice how vague this is, as if Baker couldn't recall properly)
We know it didn't take place on the fourth floor (Dorothy Garner)
So it's you insisting this encounter takes place on the third floor.
So why don't you tell us where this man was who Baker reported encountering in the TSBD.



Is the man at the top of the stairs (where DN) is?
Is the man on the other side of the door near the top of the stairs? (Where it says "Hall")
Is the man walking towards the "Up" stairs?

Where's it gonna be Alan?

 anywhere other than the second floor lunchroom.


I don't believe there is any real doubt that Baker and Truly, did in fact encounter Lee Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom.  BUT Baker and Truly also encountered another man near the stairs as they were on their way to the roof.   Baker said that Truly vouched for this DARK HAIRED , 165 POUND,  who was wearing a LIGHT BROWN JACKET.   and told Baker that the man was an employee.   IF in fact the man was an employee .....There is a high probability that the man was Jack Dougherty.  BUT since Baker's description doesn't fit Jack Dougherty then Truly was lying and the man was not an employee.....

[Alan Ford]

You mean away from the Up stairs towards the elevators?

Yes.

Exactly as I have been talking about all along?

No--------you (rather absurdly) tried to place Officer Baker at a spot where he only has to lean forward to touch the man.

So that gives us at least three ways in which Officer Baker could have seen "a man walking away from the stairway" on the third floor. What else you got, Mr O'Meara?

[Alan Ford]

Baker was mistaken, his statement displays this uncertainty, he was unfamiliar with the building and full of adrenaline. The only reason he mentions the encounter is because it's the only thing of any significance that happens during his "search" of the TSBD.


I believe you're right Dan, ol man. Bakr did not encounter a man on either the 3rd or  4th floor....

Actually the 3rd floor is perfectly possible. The 4th floor is not impossible.

However as you've pointed out, Baker DID in fact encounter a "DARK HAIRED,"---"  165 POUND"  man, who was wearing a "LIGHT BROWN JACKET"  and that man was walking away from the stairs in a dimly lit area near the elevators.....( yes, Baker did say that the area was dimly lit)   I believe the only floor Baker could have been referring to was the 5th floor.

And the 5th floor is possible too.

[Dan O'meara]

Yes.

No--------you (rather absurdly) tried to place Officer Baker at a spot where he only has to lean forward to touch the man.

So that gives us at least three ways in which Officer Baker could have seen "a man walking away from the stairway" on the third floor. What else you got, Mr O'Meara?

I opened this particular conversation with a diagram of the third floor and these words:

"The gap between the stairs and the elevators is about 15ft. Can the encounter described by Baker have taken place in this tiny space?"

From the beginning the conversation has been about the small space between the "Up" stairs and the elevators but because you live in a fantasy dream-world you don't seem to have grasped this fundamental point.
Just to get you up to speed - the argument is that this space is too small for the encounter Baker describes in his affidavit. Even though there is barely any detail in the affidavit there is enough to rule out the tiny space on the third floor as the setting for the encounter.
When Baker "calls out" to the man it implies there is the kind of distance involved where someone would have to raise their voice to be heard clearly. In the tiny space between the stairs and the elevator Baker and the man would be a few feet apart. No need to call out.
The same applies to the detail that the man "turned around and came back toward me." This also implies a distance greater than a few feet.
The space between the Up stairs and the elevators is too small for the encounter described by Baker.
It didn't happen on the fourth floor because Dorothy Garner would've noticed it.
And it didn't happen on the fifth as Williams, Norman and Jarman would've mentioned it.

We're running out of places for it to have happened.
Maybe it happened on the second floor but Baker made a mistake in his vague recollection (3rd or 4th) of which floor it was.
A simple mistake from someone recalling events from a building he was unfamiliar with, pistol drawn, adrenaline fuelled, etc.

What didn't happen was some invisible, unknown person concocting the worst hoax in the history of hoaxing.