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Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2600 on: September 29, 2023, 11:52:50 PM »
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Hi Royell, You are most welcome my friend! I just found this on Denis Morissette's site. Thank you for your valuable input! Sincerely yours, Michael

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According to Craven, he was running after the last shot. He told Richard Trask that he ran up the grassy knoll to follow a policeman who running up the hill. He found himself with SS agent Thomas “Lem” Johns, an agent originally with Vice-President Johnson. Not seeing anything special, Craven started filming the people on the ground (TPOTP, page 375).

Craven believes he took some film of the limousine going under the overpass. He also recalls getting back in he car with SS agent Johns. Just beyond the overpass, near the ramp leading to the freeway, Dan Rather was standing holding a bright yellow grapefruit bag. He was waiting for any film thrown to him. “Our production crew in the motorcade was going to throw me several reels of exposed films as they passed. I had a cab waiting to rush the film to KRLD. Although I did not see the president, I knew that something was wrong, so I jumped into my cab and went straight to KRLD studio”. (TPOTP, pages 375-376)

Craven added, “I know I was rolling as we made the that right turn coming up to the Depository- I thought  I had seen a flash or a puff of smoke, but it never showed up, because I had a wide angle lens on, and it was so far away, you wouldn’t have seen it” (TPOTP, page 383)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2601 on: September 30, 2023, 02:04:23 AM »
Hi Royell, You are most welcome my friend! I just found this on Denis Morissette's site. Thank you for your valuable input! Sincerely yours, Michael

DEALEY PLAZA
According to Craven, he was running after the last shot. He told Richard Trask that he ran up the grassy knoll to follow a policeman who running up the hill. He found himself with SS agent Thomas “Lem” Johns, an agent originally with Vice-President Johnson. Not seeing anything special, Craven started filming the people on the ground (TPOTP, page 375).

Craven believes he took some film of the limousine going under the overpass. He also recalls getting back in he car with SS agent Johns. Just beyond the overpass, near the ramp leading to the freeway, Dan Rather was standing holding a bright yellow grapefruit bag. He was waiting for any film thrown to him. “Our production crew in the motorcade was going to throw me several reels of exposed films as they passed. I had a cab waiting to rush the film to KRLD. Although I did not see the president, I knew that something was wrong, so I jumped into my cab and went straight to KRLD studio”. (TPOTP, pages 375-376)

Craven added, “I know I was rolling as we made the that right turn coming up to the Depository- I thought  I had seen a flash or a puff of smoke, but it never showed up, because I had a wide angle lens on, and it was so far away, you wouldn’t have seen it” (TPOTP, page 383)

    Thanks again Michael.  Personally, I believe Johns was assigned to that Knoll area on 11/22/63. He was Not inside that LBJ SS Car. None of the Joe 6 Packs all over Dealey Plaza saw him get out of that car and run down Elm St as he claimed. That never happened. And I also believe the SS is lying about it because it is connected to that 9 inch blood pool in the same knoll area in which Johns was sighted.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2602 on: September 30, 2023, 03:21:20 AM »

IMO , JFK was probably NOT in the loop on this theoretical false flag shooting plan that Mr. Ford has proposed as an alternative, because it would  have been counter productive to the “better “ relationship that JFK and Kruschev had established after the 62 Missile Crisis,  primarily to avoid nuclear war and from which the Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) doctrine was developed.

It could be just Oswald was told of this plan by the conspirator team (probably the 2 men that Sylvia Odio saw Oswald with in her apartment) and what he was supposed to do.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2603 on: September 30, 2023, 04:32:20 AM »
    Thanks again Michael.  Personally, I believe Johns was assigned to that Knoll area on 11/22/63. He was Not inside that LBJ SS Car. None of the Joe 6 Packs all over Dealey Plaza saw him get out of that car and run down Elm St as he claimed. That never happened. And I also believe the SS is lying about it because it is connected to that 9 inch blood pool in the same knoll area in which Johns was sighted.

Hi Royell, I just found this picture of the Vice President's SS Car with the left rear door open and maybe somebody starting to get out on Houston Street near Elm Street. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael




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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2604 on: September 30, 2023, 06:03:46 AM »
Hi Royell, I just found this picture of the Vice President's SS Car with the left rear door open and maybe somebody starting to get out on Houston Street near Elm Street. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael




   That car door was already open. You can see that same door being ajar on the Altgens Photo. You can see the JFK Limo in the still frame above. It's front bumper has yet to reach the TSBD front door. Per the WC, this is too early for a shot to have been fired.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2605 on: September 30, 2023, 08:26:05 AM »
   That car door was already open. You can see that same door being ajar on the Altgens Photo. You can see the JFK Limo in the still frame above. It's front bumper has yet to reach the TSBD front door. Per the WC, this is too early for a shot to have been fired.

Hi Royell, Thank you! Yes, you are correct! With Tina Towner's concentration on Jackie, and Ike Altgens not able to take another quick picture, do we have any film of the Vice President's SS Car when Lem could have jumped out of the open car door? Thank you for your valuable input! I really appreciate it! Sincerely yours, Michael




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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2606 on: September 30, 2023, 11:20:33 AM »
So!

Conspiracy A (the plan for missed shots to be fired from the TSBD sixth floor as Pres. Kennedy is riding through Dealey Plaza)
Conspiracy B (exploiting Conspiracy A to carry out a real assassination on Pres. Kennedy)

Key to the success of Conspiracy A is that 'pro-Castro' Mr. Oswald become THE named conspirator whose involvement identifies this as a pro-Castro provocation. All for the purpose of creating a compelling pretext for C-Day (1 Dec).

Where are DPD in all this? Assuming no advance knowledge on their side of the clandestine false-flag operation, the DPD's understanding, within a very short time of the assassination, is based on the evidence they are aware of: that this Oswald fellow has been involved (not as shooter) in a successful pro-Castro conspiracy to kill Pres. Kennedy. They know he's guilty of involvement. Their course of action is consequently a no-brainer: to charge him as an accomplice in a leftist conspiracy, and as the shooter of Officer Tippit.

But word quickly comes down from on high, and from outside: no, this LHO fellow must be nailed as a DOUBLE shooter. A lone actor. For national security reasons, the world must NOT learn that Pres. Kennedy was killed by pro-Castro conspiracy. It would lead to WWIII. 

And so all DPD efforts, like those of the other 'investigating' authorities, go into the absurd project of framing Mr. Oswald not just for the murder of Officer Tippit but also for the murder of Pres. Kennedy. They feel not the slightest compunction in framing this guy, because a) they routinely pull this corrupt stuff in normal times anyway, and Mr. Wade has a proud record of convicting innocent men; b) they reckon LHO has it coming, being 'guiltocent' on account of his known involvement in the pro-Castro conspiracy. At least we got one of the b*st*rds.

Several years later, all this is weighing heavily on Mr. Jesse Curry. He knows this was a conspiracy, and 'knows' it was a communist conspiracy. And he knows Mr. Oswald was most definitely NOT at the SN window firing on Pres. Kennedy. So he makes the startling admission: we never could put Oswald in that building with that rifle at that time.

His admission alerts us to a striking fact: the DPD/FBI/SS framing of Mr. Oswald was both thorough and incomplete. Thorough in all sorts of ways (starting with the confiscation of his alibi); incomplete in that the 'evidence' putting Mr. Oswald up at the SN window @12:30pm never goes beyond the circumstantial. Why not? Because they KNOW that his front-entrance alibi may yet come to light in an undeniable way, or an image may yet emerge showing someone else firing from the sixth floor. Were either of these things to happen, any cooked evidence that went too far would expose the fact that they framed him.

Just think, for example, how easy it would have been for those privy to Mr. Oswald's final interrogation to tell everyone that he finally broke, and confessed to shooting Pres. Kennedy. But no, that would offer a dangerous hostage to fortune. A witness could break ranks any day. A photo or film could come into the public domain exonerating him unequivocally. Best to stick with the plan: lots of cooked evidence pointing to LHO as the shooter; lots of suppressed real evidence that would have pointed to conspiracy; a seemingly reasonable inference drawn by the 'investigation': LHO shot JFK, and he was acting alone.

They would have loved to go further. But they couldn't.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2607 on: September 30, 2023, 04:07:15 PM »
Hi Royell, Thank you! Yes, you are correct! With Tina Towner's concentration on Jackie, and Ike Altgens not able to take another quick picture, do we have any film of the Vice President's SS Car when Lem could have jumped out of the open car door? Thank you for your valuable input! I really appreciate it! Sincerely yours, Michael



  Michael - SA Lem Johns was allegedly seated in the (R) Rear/Back Seat of the LBJ SS Car. That (L) rear door you're looking at would have done him no good in possibly exiting that car. And yes, there was another SA Agent there in the back seat seated/positioned next to that door that is ajar. There are: (1) No Dealey Plaza witnesses that saw SA Johns exit that LBJ SS vehicle while it was on Elm St, (2) There are No image(s) of SA John running down Elm St toward the LBJ Convertible, (as he claims), (3) There are No image(s) of Johns standing in Elm St as/after the JFK Motorcade sped away, (as he claims).  I believe that Johns was sighted by Wiegman UP the Knoll because Johns was assigned some sort of on the ground foot duty there inside Dealey Plaza. His close proximity to the blood pool testified to by Mal Couch can Not be over stated. I also believe whatever caused that blood pool spurred the Chism Family to suddenly run across the knoll and down the sidewalk while handing off their child. I have never heard a reason for the Chism Family's belated Mad Dash down Elm. And they were physically close to that blood pool/Elm St Ext before going pell-mell.   
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