Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Michael Welch]

He wasn't anywhere near outside. He was busy upstairs shooting the president.  You and Ralphie oughta get a room.

Hi Mark. I hope that you are doing well! Where upstairs? The Snipers Nest was occupied by Bonnie Ray Williams at least until 12:25pm. Both Jim Leavelle and Jesse Curry said they did not have enough evidence to convict Oswald. Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom between 12:15 and 12:25 pm. Amos Euins saw a negro man with a bald spot in the Sniper's Nest. Howard Brennan saw a man wearing khaki clothing in the Sniper's Nest. But you knew all of this already, right? The Sniper's Nest was a crowded place, but nobody saw Lee! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Dan O'meara]

He wasn't anywhere near outside. He was busy upstairs shooting the president.  You and Ralphie oughta get a room.

Tell that to Robert Edwards and Ronald Fischer who both saw a man wearing a white/off white, open-necked shirt in the SN. An item of clothing Oswald wasn't wearing that day and didn't have in his possessions.
Incidentally, it is the same garment worn by the man Arnold Rowland observes on the 6th floor 15 minutes before the motorcade arrives in Dealey Plaza.
Which is 10 minutes before Oswald's apparent observation of Norman and Jarman entering the rear of the TSBD building on the first floor.

[Alan Ford]

Since It does not seem logical that  JFK would have jeopardized the improved relations between USA and USSR after the successfully negotiated end to the 62 missile  crisis,

It is a myth that Pres. Kennedy promised First Secretary Khruschev not to invade Cuba after the missile crisis: such a guarantee was made dependent upon Pres. Castro's allowing UN on-site inspections. Pres. Castro's refusal to allow such led in Spring '63 to the quiet development by the Kennedy administration of the C-Day coup plan for 12/1/63.

The false-flag incident of 11/22 was cooked up to give Pres. Kennedy a politically potent pretext for C-Day. The 'known pro-Castroite' Mr. Oswald's involvement (but not as shooter, obviously) in the deeply provocative 'pro-Castro' stunt was to be an important element in this false-flag hoax.

And Attorney General Robert Kennedy was at the very heart of the C-Day planning.

[Alan Ford]

Mr. Oswald's actual location in the doorway has been found

At the time these Hughes frames are taken,
-----------------Mr. Oswald is standing over west in the doorway, on the fourth step. He takes a sip of Coke. We see no flesh of his LEFT hand, because he is holding the flag behind him
-----------------A laid-back Mr. Lovelady is SITTING on one of the upper steps, content with getting a glimpse of Pres. Kennedy when he passes right by the building. He has a decent enough view, as there is no one standing in front of him.

But then, without warning, and just as Pres. Kennedy is about to come into Mr. Lovelady's view, Mr. Oswald blocks his view by waving a flag--not up high, but to his side



An irritated Mr. Lovelady RISES TO HIS FEET in order to see over the flag:



And so, by the time of Altgens & Wiegman, Mr. Lovelady is shown standing over near the center rail of the doorway.

[Alan Ford]

How many people saw Mr. Oswald out there? is one question.
How many people SAID they saw him out there? is another altogether.

One might compare this to the curious result we get if we ask the question:
How many people SAID they saw Mr. Oswald leave the building several minutes after the assassination?
Officially, the answer is: not a single person.
Do we conclude from this that Mr. Oswald never left the building? Hardly!

However, we do know that one person DID say they saw him leave by the front door: Mr. Billy Lovelady, that same day, told Mr. James Jarman he saw Mr. Oswald being cleared by Mr. Truly and a cop at the front door.

But------------and here's the point-------------Mr. Lovelady told Mr. Jarman this before the cover-up had kicked in. In all his later, on-the-record statements, Mr. Lovelady never mentions it. Were it not for Mr. Jarman's chance mention of what Mr. Lovelady had informally told him shortly after the assassination, we would never know about it.

I have no doubt that several people saw Mr. Oswald leave by the front door several minutes after the assassination.
And I have no doubt that several people saw Mr. Oswald standing out front as Pres. Kennedy passed the building.

Those who wish to dismiss the idea of Mr. Oswald's being out front for the motorcade on the basis that no one SAID they saw him there need to tell us if they dismiss, on the very same basis, the idea of Mr. Oswald's having left the building minutes after the assassination.

[Alan Ford]

SS Inspector Thomas J. Kelley writes this in his report on Mr. Oswald's interrogation on the Saturday morning:



Seems clearcut, right?

Yet FBI Agent Bookhout writes this in HIS report on the same interrogation:



Only TWO denials instead of Insp. Kelley's tally of THREE:
-I didn't view the motorcade
-I didn't shoot Pres. Kennedy
-I didn't shoot Gov. Connally

Remarkable that Agent Bookhout wouldn't see fit to mention this eyebrow-raising admission from Mr. Oswald...........

But there is more that is remarkable here. One would think that the accused assassin's specific claimed whereabouts at the time of the assassination would be the single most important thing an interrogation report would need to cover. But no. Neither Insp. Kelley nor Agent Bookhout go there. Nor does anyone else.

In fact, the ONLY time in ANY of the official interrogation reports that we get ANY idea of where exactly Mr. Oswald said he was at the time of the assassination is in the joint interrogation report written by Agents Bookhout and Hosty on the Sunday: "on the first floor". Did Mr. Oswald really give such a vague response?

Nope. Since 2019 we know what Mr. Oswald had really said in his very first interrogation: "went outside to watch P. Parade". Agent Hosty puts this in his draft interrogation report, but it is absorbed by the weaselly formula "on the first floor" in the Bookhout/Hosty joint report. (Remember: we're talking about the identical same interrogation session here.) The only place that could conceivably be both "outside" and "on the first floor" is up in the front entrance. The Bookhout/Hosty report is resorting to creative semantics to take Mr. Oswald off the front steps.

Other than that, NONE of the official interrogation reports wants to talk about where exactly Mr. Oswald said he was.

Quite bizarre-------------and explicable only if Mr. Oswald's answer to that question was too dangerous to be officially memorialized.

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But back to Insp. Kelley VS Agent Bookhout on what Mr. Oswald said in the Sat morning interrogation. Did he or did he not deny having viewed the motorcade?

Did Agent Bookhout really miss Mr. Oswald's admission that he didn't view the parade? Or did he consider it of insufficient importance to mention in his report? Hardly!

Either Mr. Oswald really said this, or Insp. Kelley misremembered/invented it.

It's probably the latter, but let's take a little time to explore the former scenario: Mr. Oswald told Insp. Kelley he didn't view the parade.

Seems damning, right?

Well, put yourself in Mr. Oswald's shoes. He is being asked by an SS man if he viewed the parade. He has assumed all along that the SS (or some of them at least) were in on the false-flag operation. So he thinks he is being tested: Are you going to keep your cover, or are you going to talk about what you did in that front entrance?

And so he is much more guarded in his response to any question about his parade-time whereabouts. In the first interrogation, he freely told Capt. Fritz he "went outside to watch P. Parade". But here, he is mindful of who's asking. And so he gives a response that telegraphs the message: 'Look, I'm being a good boy. I haven't told them anything about what I did in that front entrance'.

So at odds is his answer with his earlier "went outside to watch P. Parade" line, that Agent Bookhout is taken aback. He senses that Mr. Oswald is playing a game. So, in his interrogation report, he decides to just not go there.

[Alan Ford]

Apologies, Mr. Mason, only seeing this now (it got lost amidst the off-topic deluge courtesy of Messrs. Welch & Storing).....

I believe the Towner film gives the lie to the idea that Pres. Kennedy was out of the loop:



He's leaning forward to look at Mr. Oswald.

A change-of-mind mechanism was built into the plan: Pres. Kennedy will see the flag-waving, know from that the operation is a go, and can choose with a pre-agreed gesture-signal (brushing of hand through hair) whether or not to give the final green light. He gives it.

I believe this explains the hitherto puzzling fact of excised Towner frames just before this in Towner: the unspliced version showed Pres. Kennedy making it a little too obvious that he is keen to check out the doorway

I believe this is also the reason why the Zapruder film frames showing the turn from Houston on to Elm were cut

[Royell Storing]

Friends, it is hard to convey how foolish I find the behavior of those who continue to stake all on the PM-in-Darnell=LHO claim.

Coming up to the 60th anniversary, they are creating the utterly false impression that Mr. Oswald's claim that he "went outside to watch P. Parade" can ONLY be vindicated by the finding that he is Prayer Man in Darnell.

In doing this, and with such vehemence and such disregard for what the latest evidence shows, they are setting the stage for what will look to everyone else like the complete collapse of the Oswald-Out-Front idea.

And this just at a time when

a) the PM-in-Darnell=LHO claim has been euthanized by the clearer Darnell frame that has emerged


b) Mr. Oswald's actual location in the doorway has been found


2013 saw an important research push. But 2023 trumps it by a big margin.

As I have had cause to note before, the capacity of many CTers to look a gift horse in the mouth is most impressive.............. But: the penny WILL drop. 

    Going beyond the hoopla surrounding Prayer Man, I thought the discovery of the "Hosty Notes" itself should have received far more attention/scrutiny from the JFK Assassination Research Community. The hand writting on those alleged "Hosty Notes"  should have been analyzed by multiple credible sources followed by an exhaustive combing of the National Archives for other JFK Assassination related material that has been overlooked within the catacombs of that labyrinth for the last 60 years. Just me, but once again the JFK Assassination Research Community has FAILED to focus its' attention on unearthing FACTS vs chasing media attention = $$$.