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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1144 on: July 30, 2020, 05:11:35 PM »
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Yes, Mr May.

Also, Trump seems to have forgotten- or never knew - that Congress must approve a delay in elections. The House is very unlikely to approve such a delay.
So, Trump is just trying to stir the pot and throw red meat to the base.
Definitely a sign of desperation.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1145 on: July 30, 2020, 05:31:04 PM »
Yes, Mr May.

Also, Trump seems to have forgotten- or never knew - that Congress must approve a delay in elections. The House is very unlikely to approve such a delay.
So, Trump is just trying to stir the pot and throw red meat to the base.
Definitely a sign of desperation.

Agree John. Trump has no idea that ONLY Congress can change an election date. Recall his once saying “the constitution lets me do whatever I want”. Totally out of touch.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1146 on: July 30, 2020, 05:40:48 PM »
Has Royell been kicked out?

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1147 on: July 30, 2020, 05:55:08 PM »
Agree John. Trump has no idea that ONLY Congress can change an election date. Recall his once saying “the constitution lets me do whatever I want”. Totally out of touch.

Trump's selfish, psycho neediness, intensified by his palpable ignorance speaks to the developmental damage of his supporters, the ones not drawn to him voluntarily by racism and or greed.

This is the precedent, thanks to Lincoln. The 1864 election was held with the outcome of the war still in doubt and against Lincoln's opponent who was a General who Lincoln had relieved of command. The election took place with rebel forces still threatening the Capitol, less than four months after this!:

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The Battle of Fort Stevens was an American Civil War battle fought July 11–12, 1864, in what is now Northwest Washington, D.C., as part of the Valley ...
Location‎: ‎District of Columbia - Date‎: ‎July 11 –12, 1864

An expert on mental health described Trump this week in "groundhog day" terms. Trump approaches each day uninfluenced by what happened the day before, as a predator seeking "a win", seemingly with no memory of what he said or did before each "new day". It is always the same, his approach is "in the moment", leaving him free to claim or do the opposite of the day before. In effect, he is trapped as Bill Murray's character was in the film, especially because his father is no longer around to bail him out or to structure his behavior or "reign him in".

We've seen this week he has no ability to pivot to an "on course" direction after announcing resumption of daily press appearances described as covid-19 briefings. He continued to lie, block out appearances by experts, and exhibited nothing but distortion and farcical denial. By day 3, he was defending his retweet of "Dr. Crazy Lady".
"I don't know her, but I'm impressed with her!" "Everybody likes Drs. Fauci and Birx, but nobody likes me, and my admin. has by far, tested more people, by far, than any other country!"
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1148 on: July 30, 2020, 05:58:03 PM »
Fred Trump Sr. to a young Donald: “lie, cheat and steal. But win”. Per Mary Trump.

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1149 on: July 30, 2020, 06:21:25 PM »
I'm surprised Trump went off script about justification for postponing the November election. It is supposed to be postponed because of "unrest" he and Barr are ginning up, and imaginary "massive vote by mail fraud", and not because he's lost the war against covid-19.

I fear Trump is proposing postponement of the election to justify his planned refusal to accept the outcome.
He will claim the voting was "rigged", he will refuse to concede defeat or agree to exit, reminding the MSM he tried to postpone the election to avoid the "rigged outcome" he is not required to accept.

He is already claiming the vote will be "rigged".

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Trump sees a ‘rigged election’ ahead. Democrats see a constitutional crisis in the making.
The president’s increasingly amped-up rhetoric surrounding the integrity of the November elections has many wondering how he might respond to a defeat.

May 25, 2020 - Then President Donald Trump followed up Sunday with two more broadly worded warnings that November would be “the greatest Rigged ...

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/22/politics/trump-voter-fraud-lies-fact-check/index.html
Trump spreads new lies about foreign-backed voter fraud, stoking fears of a 'rigged election' this November
Jun 22, 2020 - ... President Donald Trump changed the subject Monday morning with a ... in US elections, stoking fears of a "rigged election" this November.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/28/no-reason-think-2020-election-rigged-barr-differs-trump/5528883002/
'No reason to think' 2020 election is rigged, AG Bill Barr testifies, breaking with Trump
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Once vote by mail is set up by individual states, it makes little difference if covid-19 remains uncontrolled.

The real problem Trump is concerned about, besides sinking in the polls in states he "won" in 2016, is doubt about
the effectiveness of this "Op" if vote by mail and early voting blunt the potential to diminish the non-white vote.

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Ushering in "the op" to sabotage "those people" in-person voting :

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/us/Voting-republicans-trump.html

Freed by Court Ruling, Republicans Step Up Effort to Patrol Voting
May 18, 2020 - Officials seek to recruit 50000 poll watchers and spend millions to fight ... recruiting up to 50,000 volunteers in 15 key states to monitor polling ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-2020-vote-volunteers-polling-monitors-november-election-democrats-a9521011.html
Trump recruiting 50,000 polling site monitors in thinly veiled to harass and intimidate voters, activists warn
President’s own commission did not report single confirmed case of voter fraud in 2016 election

May 18, 2020 - Republicans want to recruit 50000 volunteers in 15 crucial states to observe polling places on election day this November to ensure there is no ...

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1151 on: July 30, 2020, 07:27:11 PM »
Biden Maintains Strong Lead Over Trump

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Three polls released Wednesday show presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden with a solid lead on incumbent Donald Trump.

Polls from Economist/YouGov and CNBC/Change Research both show Biden leading by 9 percentage points. Rasmussen Reports, a right-leaning polling company, shows Biden leading Trump, 48%-42%.

CNBC/Change Research surveys of battleground states painted a grim picture for Trump's reelection bid. Polling shows Biden owns slim leads in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Of the six states, Biden fares the best in Wisconsin, with a 5-point lead, and fares the worst in Arizona and Pennsylvania, where he has a 2-point lead. The six states have a total of 101 electoral votes.

Since establishing a clear path to the Democratic nomination, Biden has consistently looked strong in most polls in head-to-head matchups with Trump.

On Monday, a Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey showed Biden leading Trump by 10 points. The national poll noted that Biden is viewed by a strong majority of voters as better equipped to lead during the coronavirus and racial turbulence.

An NBC News/Marist Poll released Monday showed Biden leading by 7 points in North Carolina, and also showed Democratic Senate candidate Cal Cunningham leading Sen. Thom Tillis by 9 points and Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper leading Republican challenger Dan Forest by 20 points.

Biden is expected to name his running mate in the coming days. Among his top choices are California Sen. Kamala Harris, former Obama National Security Adviser Susan Rice and Illinois Sen. Tammy Duckworth. The pick could result in a shift in polling numbers, depending on the public response to the running mate choice.

Trump and Biden will have their first of three debates on Sept. 29 in Cleveland. The election, which will take place on Nov. 3, is 96 days away.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1151 on: July 30, 2020, 07:27:11 PM »