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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2232 on: October 28, 2020, 11:45:12 PM »
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Once again Obiden made my day, copying the rolled up sleeves routine to look like Obama's revitalized white twin -- ROFL

Or was it more like: look, no needle marks!

This relic just keeps giving.

Wonder when McDonald will stop getting the dex......it’s great stuff.....makes you feel like Superman.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2233 on: October 29, 2020, 05:04:57 AM »
Don't see Donald Trump or his right wing sycophants tweeting about the Dow Jones. No, COVID isn't "over" and we haven't "rounded corner", almost every state is worse now than at any time during this pandemic. Trump is a pathological liar killing thousands of people holding dangerous rallies and does not deserve to be elected.     

Dow craters 943 points in worst day since June as virus spike spurs new lockdowns
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-news-today-plunge-new-virus-lockdowns-dow-sp500-2020-10-1029736777#

Tennessee seeing alarming spike in COVID-19 spread, hospitalizations and deaths, per White House task force
https://www.wbir.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/tennessee-seeing-alarming-spike-in-covid-19-spread-hospitalizations-and-deaths/51-93fcf659-0c6a-4fc7-b1cf-b8f3fe9af1db

South Dakota reaches new highs in COVID-19 hospitalizations, daily cases
https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/10/28/south-dakota-reaches-new-highs-covid-19-hospitalizations-daily-cases/6053552002/

Alabama adds 1,269 COVID cases, hospitalizations climb to highest number since August
https://www.al.com/news/2020/10/alabama-adds-1269-covid-cases-hospitalizations-climb-to-highest-number-since-august.html

Trump’s closing message is lying about the coronavirus at rallies that spread infection
Even as cases hit new highs, Trump keeps lying that the pandemic will soon “be over.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/10/25/21533030/trump-pandemic-rallies-coronavirus-misinformation

Trump Rallies Are Often Followed by Increases in Local COVID-19 Cases
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/news/2020/10/26/492430/trump-rallies-often-followed-increases-local-covid-19-cases/

Almost Two Dozen COVID-19 Infections Tied to Trump’s Minnesota Rallies
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/covid-coronavirus-infections-tied-to-trump-minnesota-rallies.html

NC Gov. Cooper connects Trump campaign rallies to rising rural coronavirus numbers
https://www.gastongazette.com/news/20201028/nc-gov-cooper-connects-trump-campaign-rallies-to-rising-rural-coronavirus-numbers

Trump’s Rallies Are Turning Voters Against Him
https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-10-28/trumps-rallies-are-turning-voters-against-him

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2234 on: October 29, 2020, 08:08:29 AM »
Well, how about November 3rd?

Anyway, bewildered Biden really should have disclosed the names of his care team.

They will likely be in control if he makes it to the oval room.

Unbelievable how Trump could be so bad. Then again he only really ever got into the 40’s. Now it’s just a two horse race that is telling. I am no Biden lover. As I have said before a house brick could beat Trump this time. Imagine going into an election during a pandemic without a comprehensive health plan that was promised months ago. Suckers and losers all.

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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2235 on: October 29, 2020, 02:14:40 PM »
US: 81,000 new cases yesterday. 1,000 deaths.
228,000 deaths in total.

Let's play " Ask a Scientist "".
Mr Crow: What's the future for the US and Covid19?
( As a layman, I see a very dark future.)

Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2236 on: October 29, 2020, 03:12:18 PM »
A few points in reply regarding COVID-19:

* Citing population density to explain away Michigan's bad COVID-19 numbers compared to Sweden's is unconvincing. If Michigan's draconian lockdown measures were the right approach, population density should not matter, given the fact that Swedes have been out of their homes a great deal more than have Michigan's residents. Furthermore, Taiwan's population density (1,680 per square mile) is more than double Michigan's, yet Taiwan has had fewer cases and deaths than any nation on earth.

* We can all Google the fact that the panic-peddling experts cited so often by liberals screamed bloody murder that we would see massive numbers of new deaths in states that began to reopen in May. Not only has this *not* happened, but the case death rate has dropped by more than 50% since states began to reopen. Yet, Democrats continue to scream about the increase in the number of cases, while they ignore the dramatic drop in the death rate.

* Cases where sizable groups of people were isolated when COVID-19 broke out, such as three notable cruise ship cases, prove that the virus's transmission rate is nowhere near as high as liberals keep claiming. In all those cases, the transmission rate was below 50%.

* If your only sources of news is the traditional news outlets, you will rarely if ever hear about the following facts:

-- That the overall average survival rate is over 97%.

-- That the death rate for ages 0-19 is between 0.01% and 0.09%, much lower than the flu's death rate.

-- That the death rate for ages 20 to 34 is no more dangerous than the common flu--the death rate is between 0.13% and 0.29%, virtually the same as the flu.

-- That the death rate for ages 35 to 49 is only 0.44%, or far below 1%, which, of course, equals a survival rate of 99.56%.

-- That the death rate for ages 50-59 is 1.49%, which equals a survival rate of 98.51%.

-- The the death rate for ages 60-100 ranges between 2.4% and 13.5%, since the death rate for ages 65-100 is much higher than it is for ages 60-64.

When people learn about these statistics, their first reaction is usually, "Then why in the world are we so panicked over this virus?"

* A rational, fact-based approach would be to impose strict protective measures on ages 65 and above and on the medically ill, and to let everyone else resume normal life. Instead of banning large gatherings or limiting large gatherings to 10K-20K people, lift all such restrictions but ban anyone aged 65 and older and the medically ill from attending. Instead of making everyone wear masks, only require masks for the aged and the medically ill.

Then, once we have a vaccine, the first groups to get it should be the aged and the medically ill. Once they've had the vaccine, they could resume normal life.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2237 on: October 29, 2020, 05:28:21 PM »
Ages 18-49
59.8% of the state's cases (533,900)
7.1% of the state's deaths (1,229)
0.23% death rate/99.77% survival rate
(A 0.23% death rate is 4.2 times lower than 1%, the same as the flu. The flu's death rate varies between 0.15% and 0.25%, depending on the flu season in question. Five of the last nine flu seasons had a case death rate of between 0.21% and 0.25%.)

Why are you comparing the overall death rate of the flu to the 18-49 death rate in California for COVID?  Apples and oranges.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2238 on: October 29, 2020, 05:29:20 PM »
Not according to the CDC or the John Hopkins Medical Center. If anything, there is good evidence that a sizable percentage of COVID-19 deaths were not actually caused by COVID-19 but were labeled as such because the person had COVID-19.

No, there is in fact no good evidence of this whatsoever.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2239 on: October 29, 2020, 06:00:16 PM »
You did not mention New Zealand in your reply, so I did not "ignore" it. New Zealand is an island with a population of barely 4 million spread out over 103,000 square miles. New Zealand also imposed a strict travel ban on March 19--all travel into the country by non-citizens was banned (yet liberals went ape when Trump imposed a ban on travel from China).

a) Trump did not "ban" travel from China.  40,000 people entered the United States via direct flights from China (both Americans and non-Americans, including from Wuhan) after the so-called "ban".

b) Liberals didn't "go ape".  That Trump's revisionist "history".

c) The initial mass outbreaks in the New York area came from Europe, not China.  Travel wasn't restricted from Europe until March 12.

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No, it is not. Your experts said over and over and over and over again that without lockdowns we would have 2-plus million deaths.

More Trump misinformation.  What they actually said what that if no mitigation efforts were introduced then there could be 2 million deaths.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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