Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Richard Smith]

Your comment was that "Trump found the solution"....ie the vaccine. (It was a few pages back. Cant be bothered formatting.)

The solution of the vaccine relies on herd immunity being developed via its deployment to at least 70% of the population.

I immediately replied...."What % of Trump voters are antivaxers? How ironically hysterical."

The people who support Trump are not going to allow his "solution" to prevail. Your reference to Democrat suspicion was fear that Trump was rushing the vaccine deployment before safety concerns were allayed.

As the graph shows it is Republicans who will not allow herd immunity to develop. Do you now see the irony?

No doubt you are aware that Qanon loonies support Trump and there is significant cross contamination with antivaxer loonies as well.

Again, I don't see how any of that is Trump's fault.  He has been and continues to be a strong advocate for the vaccine.  If people are convinced by anti-vaxers like Kantala or others not to take it, then what else can he do?  He ensured there was a vaccine that works and will be distributed in record time.  If there are dems that want to discourage people from taking it because it was developed on Trump's watch, then perhaps there is an element of Darwinism at work.

[Martin Weidmann]

Again, I don't see how any of that is Trump's fault.  He has been and continues to be a strong advocate for the vaccine.  If people are convinced by anti-vaxers like Kantala or others not to take it, then what else can he do?  He ensured there was a vaccine that works and will be distributed in record time.  If there are dems that want to discourage people from taking it because it was developed on Trump's watch, then perhaps there is an element of Darwinism at work.

If the vaccine is safe and works there won't be a single democrat that will tell people not to take it.

Btw didn't Trump say recently that he wasn't going to distribute the vaccine to New York?

[Colin Crow]

Again, I don't see how any of that is Trump's fault.  He has been and continues to be a strong advocate for the vaccine.  If people are convinced by anti-vaxers like Kantala or others not to take it, then what else can he do?  He ensured there was a vaccine that works and will be distributed in record time.  If there are dems that want to discourage people from taking it because it was developed on Trump's watch, then perhaps there is an element of Darwinism at work.

Why do you think irony is associated with fault? The reality is that Republicans (Trump's own party) are reluctant to partake of his vaccine. To an extent that will not allow it to be effective. There is no blame allocated, maybe other than Trump accepting the loonies as supporters.

Do you know how Darwinism works? There is no element of Darwinism here.....

[Michael T. Griffith]

Everybody is thrilled that Pfizer, BioNTech, and Moderna have each developed a COVID-19 vaccine that is 90-95% effective and that distribution of the vaccine will begin in January or February--just as President Trump said would happen. Do you remember how Biden and Harris and liberal "news" networks mocked Trump's claim that a vaccine was just about ready and that it would be available early in 2021? It turns out that Trump knew what he was talking about (because, naturally enough, he was frequently getting updates from the drug companies and from FDA officials who were tracking vaccine development).

And you can thank your lucky stars that Trump has ordered the FDA to fast-track approval of the vaccine. Do you remember when Biden said a vaccine might not be ready until 2022? Remember that? Remember how he scoffed at Trump's statement that a vaccine would be ready by the end of this year and would be distributed early in 2021? Remember? 

[Colin Crow]

Everybody is thrilled that Pfizer, BioNTech, and Moderna have each developed a COVID-19 vaccine that is 90-95% effective and that distribution of the vaccine will begin in January or February--just as President Trump said would happen. Do you remember how Biden and Harris and liberal "news" networks mocked Trump's claim that a vaccine was just about ready and that it would be available early in 2021? It turns out that Trump knew what he was talking about (because, naturally enough, he was frequently getting updates from the drug companies and from FDA officials who were tracking vaccine development).

And you can thank your lucky stars that Trump has ordered the FDA to fast-track approval of the vaccine. Do you remember when Biden said a vaccine might not be ready until 2022? Remember that? Remember how he scoffed at Trump's statement that a vaccine would be ready by the end of this year and would be distributed early in 2021? Remember?

"President Donald Trump said the U.S. government could start distributing a coronavirus vaccine as early as October, a much more optimistic estimate than his own health officials have publicly advised.

“We’re very close to that vaccine as you know and I think much closer than I think most people want to say,” Trump said during a White House press briefing Wednesday. “We think we can start some time in October. So as soon as it’s announced we’ll be able to start. That will be from mid-October on. It may be a little bit later than that.”"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/16/trump-says-he-thinks-us-could-start-distributing-a-coronavirus-vaccine-in-october.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/biden-team-crafts-vaccine-plan-with-eye-on-politics-of-trump-bid

Both articles from September this year. Damn politics. You have any "scoffing" references?

And how would Trump know the results of double blind experiments? You do know how they work don’t you?

[Richard Smith]

If the vaccine is safe and works there won't be a single democrat that will tell people not to take it.

Btw didn't Trump say recently that he wasn't going to distribute the vaccine to New York?

What do you mean by "if"?  At least two of the vaccines have been through the required test trials and have been deemed safe.  They will be rolling out shortly.  What else do you require?  And no Trump didn't say that.  Another lie.  Trump confirmed that the vaccine would be going to all the states but noted that Cuomo might preclude its distribution in NY:

“So we won’t be delivering it to New York until we have authorization to do so. That pains me to say that. This is a very successful amazing vaccine at 90 percent and more. So the governor, Gov. Cuomo, will have to let us know when he’s ready for it,” Trump said.

“We can’t be delivering it to a state that won’t be giving it to its people immediately and I know the people of New York very well and I know they want it. The governor will let us know when he’s ready,” he continued, bashing Cuomo’s handling of the deadly nursing home crisis.

[Martin Weidmann]

What do you mean by "if"?  At least two of the vaccines have been through the required test trials and have been deemed safe.  They will be rolling out shortly.  What else do you require?  And no Trump didn't say that.  Another lie.  Trump confirmed that the vaccine would be going to all the states but noted that Cuomo might preclude its distribution in NY:

“So we won’t be delivering it to New York until we have authorization to do so. That pains me to say that. This is a very successful amazing vaccine at 90 percent and more. So the governor, Gov. Cuomo, will have to let us know when he’s ready for it,” Trump said.

“We can’t be delivering it to a state that won’t be giving it to its people immediately and I know the people of New York very well and I know they want it. The governor will let us know when he’s ready,” he continued, bashing Cuomo’s handling of the deadly nursing home crisis.

What do you mean by "if"? At least two of the vaccines have been through the required test trials and have been deemed safe.

Deemed by who? Neither vaccine has been approved by the FDA yet.

They will be rolling out shortly.

I hope that you are right for once, but as I understand it the logistics of the whole thing are so massive that most people will not get access to the vaccine until mid 2021.

And no Trump didn't say that.  Another lie.  Trump confirmed that the vaccine would be going to all the states but noted that Cuomo might preclude its distribution in NY:

“So we won’t be delivering it to New York until we have authorization to do so. That pains me to say that. This is a very successful amazing vaccine at 90 percent and more. So the governor, Gov. Cuomo, will have to let us know when he’s ready for it,” Trump said.

“We can’t be delivering it to a state that won’t be giving it to its people immediately and I know the people of New York very well and I know they want it. The governor will let us know when he’s ready,” he continued, bashing Cuomo’s handling of the deadly nursing home crisis.
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That's classic Trump talk for perparing to do something outrageous and blaming it on Cuomo. It's the way he always operates. He basically said exactly what I said he did.

[Richard Smith]

What do you mean by "if"? At least two of the vaccines have been through the required test trials and have been deemed safe.

Deemed by who? Neither vaccine has been approved by the FDA yet.

They will be rolling out shortly.

I hope that you are right for once, but as I understand it the logistics of the whole thing are so massive that most people will not get access to the vaccine until mid 2021.

And no Trump didn't say that.  Another lie.  Trump confirmed that the vaccine would be going to all the states but noted that Cuomo might preclude its distribution in NY:

“So we won’t be delivering it to New York until we have authorization to do so. That pains me to say that. This is a very successful amazing vaccine at 90 percent and more. So the governor, Gov. Cuomo, will have to let us know when he’s ready for it,” Trump said.

“We can’t be delivering it to a state that won’t be giving it to its people immediately and I know the people of New York very well and I know they want it. The governor will let us know when he’s ready,” he continued, bashing Cuomo’s handling of the deadly nursing home crisis.


That's classic Trump talk for perparing to do something outrageous and blaming it on Cuomo. It's the way he always operates. He basically said exactly what I said he did.

I know you keep hoping that the vaccine will not be distributed until after Jan. 20 so the dems can take credit for it while people continue to die but most accounts suggest that emergency approvals will be granted within the next few weeks.  Distribution will begin immediately because of the efforts to the Trump administration.  Hopefully in December.  The Trump vaccine is coming!  It is safe and effective.   I'm not sure how you are blaming Trump for Cuomo's apparent reluctance to distribute the vaccine to the people of NY after it is approved by the FDA.  Trump simply pointed out that the vaccine has a limited shelf life.  It has to be given within that timeframe.  There would be no point in sending it to NY (and depriving others of the vaccine) if Cuomo has no intent to distribute it.