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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2736 on: December 05, 2020, 07:25:11 AM »
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Multiple GOP legislators in Pennsylvania say their signatures were wrongly added to a letter demanding that President-elect Joe Biden's win in the state be challenged in Congress.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/6-pennsylvania-gop-reps-deny-signing-letter-asking-congress-to-dispute-election-results/ar-BB1bDZDf?ocid=msedgntp

Boy, and I was led to believe that the Team Trump were fanatical about checking signatures.

While this has been labeled as a “Clerical error”, it appears this clerical error was just enough to turn a minority of Pennsylvania legislators “signing” this letter into a majority.

I’m starting to wonder if the fraud was the other way.....how did an 8 point advantage to Biden in the polls turn into just a 4 point swing in the end. Maybe the Republicans ensured a few seats in the House and a better Senate result than predicted.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2737 on: December 05, 2020, 06:30:19 PM »
This one act of voter fraud alone may have given Biden his margin of victory in Michigan. A Dominion contractor saw about 30,000 ballots being scanned multiple times, as many as nine or 10 times, at a Detroit vote-counting center. Biden only "won" Michigan by 155,000 votes out of 5.6 million votes cast. Yet, Michigan's Democratic governor and Democratic secretary of state are refusing to take any action to investigate this report or any of the many other reports of voter fraud in the state.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/dominion-contractor-detroit-counting-center-says-thousands-ballots-were

So we had tens of thousands of non-signature-verified mail-in ballots in Georgia, a surveillance video showing election workers in Georgia pulling out containers stuffed with ballots after the GOP observers were told to leave, tens of thousands of non-signature-verified mail-in ballots in Arizona and Pennsylvania, thousands of non-signature-verified mail-in ballots in Wisconsin, 30,000 ballots being scanned multiple times at one large vote-counting center in Michigan, around 200,000 ballots counted in Pennsylvania after GOP observers were refused entrance to vote-counting locations, and drastically unprecedented--and virtually statistically impossible--Democratic turnout in certain counties in Wisconsin, among other "irregularities."

Yet, shamefully, pro-Biden news outlets continue to claim there is "no evidence whatsoever" of substantial voter fraud.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2738 on: December 05, 2020, 06:52:15 PM »
This one act of voter fraud alone may have given Biden his margin of victory in Michigan. A Dominion contractor saw about 30,000 ballots being scanned multiple times, as many as nine or 10 times, at a Detroit vote-counting center. Biden only "won" Michigan by 155,000 votes out of 5.6 million votes cast. Yet, Michigan's Democratic governor and Democratic secretary of state are refusing to take any action to investigate this report or any of the many other reports of voter fraud in the state.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/dominion-contractor-detroit-counting-center-says-thousands-ballots-were

So we had tens of thousands of non-signature-verified mail-in ballots in Georgia, a surveillance video showing election workers in Georgia pulling out containers stuffed with ballots after the GOP observers were told to leave, tens of thousands of non-signature-verified mail-in ballots in Arizona and Pennsylvania, thousands of non-signature-verified mail-in ballots in Wisconsin, 30,000 ballots being scanned multiple times at one large vote-counting center in Michigan, around 200,000 ballots counted in Pennsylvania after GOP observers were refused entrance to vote-counting locations, and drastically unprecedented--and virtually statistically impossible--Democratic turnout in certain counties in Wisconsin, among other "irregularities."

Yet, shamefully, pro-Biden news outlets continue to claim there is "no evidence whatsoever" of substantial voter fraud.

Isn't it amazing how these Trump lawyers keep claiming the most outrageous things in public (and not under oath, of course), pretending that they have mountains of evidence, but when they get to court they never present any of it?

What was the latest score in the court cases again? 1 won and 40 lost..... hmmm

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2739 on: December 05, 2020, 07:10:51 PM »
This one act of voter fraud alone may have given Biden his margin of victory in Michigan. A Dominion contractor saw about 30,000 ballots being scanned multiple times,...

You've had 14 days to get your head on straight, but instead, consider your seditious spew, vs competing facts!

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/20/affidavits-detroit-ballot-count-election-lawsuit-giuliani-trump/6348955002/
What the affidavits to stop Detroit ballot count claimed, and how they were rebutted
Mark Hicks The Detroit News
November 20, 2020

....Mellissa Carone, a contractor for Dominion Voting Systems, which performed IT work at the TCF Center on Nov. 3 and 4. During her time there, she claimed to have seen batches of ballots counted more than once and said she, the only Republican on her team, heard “many terrible comments being made by the city workers and Dominion workers about Republicans.”

The "Dominion Contractor" is bats**t, and your post is as seditious as the email I just reported to my Dem party congressional rep.:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/03/melissa-carone-michigan-trump-giuliani-election/
..Weeks after Melissa Carone was tapped by the Trump campaign as a witness in Michigan, little appeared to be going as planned with the contract IT worker’s testimony — an unverified series of claims about ballot fraud at Detroit’s vote-counting center.

In interviews with conservative-leaning media last month, her offbeat tale suggesting ballots were being smuggled inside food vans seemed to baffle even Fox Business host Lou Dobbs. Two days later, a Wayne County judge ruled that her allegations “simply are not credible.”

Yet, there she was in front of a Michigan House panel on Wednesday, dressing down a Republican lawmaker as she loudly insisted, without proof, that tens of thousands of votes had been counted twice. At one point, she was audibly shushed by Trump campaign attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani...

Watch the video included in the reporting, (above) she is right out of "Roger Stone, central casting"!

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Update (Friday, December 4, 2020 at 1:09): Thursday on Twitter, Melissa Carone insisted she was not drunk during the hearing. “Absolutely not!” she wrote when asked. (She had previously told the Michigan House Oversight Committee she had shut all her social media down because “Democrats ruin lives,” but as we all know it’s so hard to quit that stuff, especially when you are the unfortunate star of Twitter on any given day).

The Daily Mail also reports that she had just finished an twelve month probation for committing an undefined “computer crime.” She reportedly took a plea deal from Michigan prosecutors to have another charge of obscenity dropped. ....
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2740 on: December 05, 2020, 07:20:22 PM »
I’m starting to wonder if the fraud was the other way.....how did an 8 point advantage to Biden in the polls turn into just a 4 point swing in the end. Maybe the Republicans ensured a few seats in the House and a better Senate result than predicted.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/04/politics/biden-popular-vote-margin-7-million/index.html
Biden's popular vote margin over Trump tops 7 million

I see nothing in Trump's rhetoric or behavior contradicting this.:
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December 4, 2020 at 11:21 pm
Is this OT?
Kraken Conspiracies: “He Wuz Robbed”

This is what I think happened in the election and 74 million Americans ‘casting votes’ for Donald Trump:
Context: DJT has to win, due to legal precarities, personality tics, etc. Via a sophisticated incursion of voting machines, he is planned to be the winner. (Which DJT knows about and fully expects to be successful.)
However, the pandemic-influenced decision to vote by mail, at rates unlike ever before, and generally very high voter participation, flummoxed the hack.

Hence, the hysterical, false claims of hacking and fraud and the bitter inveighing against mail-in ballots, plus the 74 million votes.

Remember DJT saying “Joe Biden can only win by a ‘rigged election.’ ”? Project onto others your own conspiracies! It was fixed for Trump to win, and he didn’t. Therefore he “wuz robbed” of his expected fix and he is genuinely aggrieved.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2741 on: December 05, 2020, 08:38:52 PM »
The dems have locked down LA.  One of the biggest cities in the country.  That worked really well in NYC.  Not only did they have the highest death toll by a long shot but it also destroyed their economy.  People are fleeing California and NY like the place is on fire.  And for California, that is actually the case.  A total disaster of governance.   And Old Joe will run the entire country that way.  Fortunately, he is a do nothing who will only try to do what his Wall St. paymasters demand.  He will even screw that up, though, and blame all his failures on the evil republicans.  So the harm he will do is limited by his incompetence.  Basically, a senile version of Jimmy Carter or Obama.
Actually,  I have been working the last two weeks, in Los Angeles.
I get tested 3 times a week

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2742 on: December 06, 2020, 01:07:31 AM »
Trump 2024 - Make Another Grift Again

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2743 on: December 06, 2020, 02:20:54 AM »
What could he possibly have learned that was new?  He was addressing the effectiveness of masks during the current pandemic.  He indicated they were a security blanket but did little good.  If he was wrong at that time, that is amazing incompetence for a person whose life experience was dealing with such situations.  So let us summarize:

1) Wearing a mask is better than not wearing a mask but has limited effectiveness.

2) The Dems vastly overstated the effectiveness of masks when it became clear that Trump was reluctant to wear one and was skeptical of the claims being made about them.  This allowed the Dems to falsely but effectively blame Trump for the deaths for political purposes.

3) Because the effectiveness of masks has been grossly overstated, many people have been led to conclude that they can safely return to their normal life and business just by wearing one.  This is contributing to the spread of the virus and may be the primary reason for the spike in new case.

4) President Trump was one of the few who didn't buy into the ersatz science of the mask wearing as a major factor in addressing the virus.  Instead he directed the resources of the US government to assist in the development and distribution of a new vaccine.  A real solution. This has been accomplished.  The history books will reflect that Trump was right and the dems like Cuomo completely bungled the response with their nonsense about lockdowns and masks that both destroyed the economy while having neglible impact on the virus.  Either out of sheer incompetence or political purposes or most likely both.

"Wearing face masks in public spaces reduces the spread of SARS-CoV-2.

What is added by this report?

The governor of Kansas issued an executive order requiring wearing masks in public spaces, effective July 3, 2020, which was subject to county authority to opt out. After July 3, COVID-19 incidence decreased in 24 counties with mask mandates but continued to increase in 81 counties without mask mandates.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Countywide mask mandates appear to have contributed to the mitigation of COVID-19 transmission in mandated counties. Community-level mitigation strategies emphasizing use of masks, physical distancing, staying at home when ill, and enhanced hygiene practices can help reduce the transmission of SARS-CoV-2."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm

Getting embarrassing Richard. No wonder you can’t explain Darwinism. What is the character trait called when someone is called out but refuses to address the comment?

Still haven’t replied about whether you cover your mouth and nose when you cough or sneeze in a social setting either.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2743 on: December 06, 2020, 02:20:54 AM »