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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2792 on: December 09, 2020, 02:24:11 AM »
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I guess that resolves the issue!  Mask wearing is effective and the cases are declining in CA and all other states with a mask mandate!  Right?  They are not instead hitting a record high number in CA as reported in the media today.  We probably don't even need the Trump vaccine since the head of the CDC indicated that mask wearing was as effective as a vaccine.  The crisis is over.

Unfortunately your country is in a diabolical mess, politically, economically and from a public health perspective. Almost exclusively due to a pathetic lack of leadership from those elected to serve the people. The situation is so bad that mask wearing is less effective due to the overwhelming numbers of positive cases.

In my country, through largely but not exclusively effective leadership, at the start of this week there were 44 active cases, 29 people in hospital, nobody in intensive care, with community transmission at zero or near zero on most days. The cases we have are generally people returning home from overseas in strict quarantine.

There was one major outbreak in Melbourne, the capital of Victoria a city of almost 5 million that required a major lockdown and mandatory mask wearing for a few months.....they have been virus free now for nearly 40 days.

I fear that your country is now beyond such simple measures preventing your hospital systems being overrun.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2795 on: December 09, 2020, 05:14:58 AM »
Unfortunately your country is in a diabolical mess, politically, economically and from a public health perspective. Almost exclusively due to a pathetic lack of leadership from those elected to serve the people. The situation is so bad that mask wearing is less effective due to the overwhelming numbers of positive cases.

In my country, through largely but not exclusively effective leadership, at the start of this week there were 44 active cases, 29 people in hospital, nobody in intensive care, with community transmission at zero or near zero on most days. The cases we have are generally people returning home from overseas in strict quarantine.

There was one major outbreak in Melbourne, the capital of Victoria a city of almost 5 million that required a major lockdown and mandatory mask wearing for a few months.....they have been virus free now for nearly 40 days.

I fear that your country is now beyond such simple measures preventing your hospital systems being overrun.

Colin,

The reason Australia and New Zealand had success against COVID is because of strong leadership and the compliance of the citizens to follow the orders. If you had a significant portion of the population refusing to comply with the orders and a large segment of the media egging them on to break the rules, mocking masks, and calling the virus a "hoax" you'd be in a severe health crisis too.

These frauds over here pretend to be patriots and religious but their actions go against everything they claim they are. If the right wingers here followed the orders and wore masks we would have success just like New Zealand. Medical experts said if we all wore masks and locked down for 8 weeks we would significantly reduce the virus to where infections and death would be minimal to zero. We already could have accomplished that feat months ago but they refused to do so with each state having different or no requirements at all. Leadership starts at the top and we have a idiot who has no provided no leadership whatsoever. He blames others for his failures and we have a right wing media and a GOP joke of a party the enables and covers for him.       
 
Hospitals are being maxed out which is why new lockdown orders are being enforced to help stop new hospitalizations from COVID-19 because there will be no place to put new patients. Don't forget about people requiring hospitalization for other ailments. There won't be any place to put them. Even with this disaster looming, right wingers are still protesting against lockdowns.

The problem is, these deranged people are in a cult being brainwashed by their cult leader, right wing media, and lunatic conspiracy theorists that are given a platform to spew their disinformation. They are the reason that COVID-19 is out of control and why we are worse off 9 months later than we were before. They refuse to do the simple measures that will stop the spread of the virus and then attack the measures for not working. It's insane and tragic what has happened to our country with this orange scumbag leading the way for them to destroy our country based on hate, fear, lies, and disinformation. Trump is killing his own supporters in their own communities and these morons still don't care. They say "they will die for him". Yeah, that is called a cult.                     

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2796 on: December 09, 2020, 05:27:17 AM »
So much "winning"  from Trump and the GOP :D

Arizona Supreme Court rules against bid to review more ballots, certifies Joe Biden's win
https://www.abc15.com/news/election-2020/arizona-supreme-court-rules-against-bid-to-review-more-ballots-certifies-joe-bidens-win

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2797 on: December 09, 2020, 05:38:32 AM »

This might not be too popular a post with some, but oh well.

Similarities between the Trump claims and the JFK CTers claims.

Both say that the conspirators made many actions that exposed the plot.

In the JFK assassination:
•   Planted a Carcano rifle which is, allegedly, unusable for an assassination. They could have planted an M-1.
•   This made it necessary to plant a bullet at the hospital, and bullet fragments in the car, which would have been unnecessary if M-1 rifles were used.
•   Fired from multiple directions. For crossfire purposes. This is unnecessary because if the President ducks out of sight, one won’t be able to shot him from the front or rear.
•   Using an M-1 makes it easier to explain if wounds are inflected separately but too close together in time.

In anyway the conspirators could reveal a conspiracy, they did so.
•   Frame the wrong man, who couldn’t really shoot well, despite being a former Marine.
•   Using the wrong type of weapon. Must now plant bullet and bullet fragments.
•   Firing from the wrong directions.
•   Hitting JFK at two separate times, but too close together. A non-problem if they use M-1’s.

Any possible way they could maximize the odds of reveling multiple shooters, they did so.


Similarly, the 2020 Election plot was needlessly over elaborate.
•   Dominion Voting Systems computers turn Trump votes into Biden votes.
•   Mailing in ballots that appear valid but were from people who had died or moved to another state or never existed.
•   Sneaking in fake ballots in suitcases that were never mailed in.

Why such an elaborate plot?

Would using Dominion Voting Systems software really work? Wouldn’t this be discovered when the ballots are manually recounted, as many of them were?

If this plot was real, it would be much simpler. Don’t bother with dishonest software. This will fail when the ballots are manually recounted. Just mail in a bunch of bogus ballots. If this is not enough, then you go to Plan B and sneak in additional ballots that were never mailed in. But this would be done toward the end of the counting, not on the first night, before one has an idea of how many ballots are needed.


This is similar to the problem CTers have with the magic bullet. Why smuggle in an extra bullet, so early, within a half hour of the assassination, before they know how many bullets the doctors may find?

Why sneak in extra ballots, “In suitcases, hidden under tables” on the first night of counting, long before one knows how many extra votes Biden will need? It took many more days to count the votes. How did they know at the beginning of the count how many Biden would need? If they knew it that early, why not have them mailed in so they wouldn’t have to sneak them in at all?


Both the JFK CT scenarios and the Election 2020 CT scenarios don’t make any sense to me. Am I thinking about both hypothetical conspiracies in the wrong way? Is my thinking right about the 2000 Election but similar reasoning wrong as far as the assassination is concerned?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2798 on: December 09, 2020, 05:41:52 AM »
So much "winning"  from Trump and the GOP :D

Arizona Supreme Court rules against bid to review more ballots, certifies Joe Biden's win
https://www.abc15.com/news/election-2020/arizona-supreme-court-rules-against-bid-to-review-more-ballots-certifies-joe-bidens-win

I suggest you keep on watching and believing the Chinese News Network, The Guardian and Vanity Fair until the country is so deep in debt that the socialists will take over for the common good of humanity.   You can live on a bowl of Chinese rice can't you?   The big social media sites are censoring and banning news stories so that they have just become an Operation Mockingbird operation.   FBI is doing nothing to investigate affidavits and it is really sad that no light is being allowed in to disinfect the election process.    If Biden won, so be it.  Like Hunter Biden's laptop, sworn affidavits of election fraud brought forward are not looked at by the FBI - there is nothing to see and no need to investigate because the teevee tells you that!   Keep on drinking your Koolaid and lap it up like a little puppy dog.  Brainwash yourself good!    Don't ever think for yourself or your country!  This link below is banned from Facebook and Twitter because it had an opinion which was at odds with the officials - that is pure BS and PROPAGANDA management by socialist media sites!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/

Keep on believing that  "investigating an election process is a danger to democracy"! 

   
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2799 on: December 09, 2020, 06:41:45 AM »
I suggest you keep on watching and believing the Chinese News Network, The Guardian and Vanity Fair until the country is so deep in debt that the socialists will take over for the common good of humanity.   You can live on a bowl of Chinese rice can't you?   The big social media sites are censoring and banning news stories so that they have just become an Operation Mockingbird operation.   FBI is doing nothing to investigate affidavits and it is really sad that no light is being allowed in to disinfect the election process.    If Biden won, so be it.  Like Hunter Biden's laptop, sworn affidavits of election fraud brought forward are not looked at by the FBI - there is nothing to see and no need to investigate because the teevee tells you that!   Keep on drinking your Koolaid and lap it up like a little puppy dog.  Brainwash yourself good!    Don't ever think for yourself or your country!  This link below is banned from Facebook and Twitter because it had an opinion which was at odds with the officials - that is pure BS and PROPAGANDA management by socialist media sites!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/

Keep on believing that  "investigating an election process is a danger to democracy"! 

 

Says the guy who reads "The Federalist" and actually drinks the orange Kool Aid. Thanks for the laugh.  :D

There was nothing to investigate. Bogus claims of unproven "voter fraud" does not warrant an investigation and every court in the country made that perfectly clear. Attempting an illegal coup is dangerous to a democracy and that's what the GOP attempted to do. The rule of law was upheld and they were shut down. Democracy won. The fact is, right wingers hate democracy and want a fascist authoritarian dictatorship with Lame Duck Donald.     

Chinese rice? Lame Duck Donald is tens of millions of dollars in debt to China and his corrupt daughter received dozens of trademarks from China she had no business even acquiring. He even has secret Chinese bank accounts that he paid taxes on which he doesn't even pay in the United States.

Lame Duck Donald has put the United States in massive debt with his big tax breaks to billionaires and not a peep from the right about the national debt.           

The social media sites finally did their job somewhat by flagging and blocking dangerous far right wing propaganda and Russian disinformation from being spammed on their sites. Too bad they didn't do that in 2016.       

The signed "affidavits" are fraud and even Trump's own handpicked right wing judges ruled that every lawsuit was bogus. His own right wing Supreme Court denied his bogus attempt at overturning ballots in Pennsylvania. These are ALL his own people rejecting his bogus allegations.

If you were paying attention to the actual news months ago, we all knew Lame Duck Donald was going to claim "massive voter fraud" and then try to get the results overturned in the courts with his own handpicked judges and his own corrupted electors with help from Republican legislators. I was writing about this for months. Why do you think the right wing Senate wanted to ram through Amy Covid Barrett so fast. He knew he was going to lose the election because he was so far down in the polls, so his big plan was to have the election overturned in his favor by his corrupt friends he picked in the courts. The vote was so overwhelmingly against him, his corrupt buddies couldn't help him steal the election and eneded up legally following our laws.               

Politifact and every credible news organization has debunked the bogus video you posted and the Ukrainian prosecutors said Hunter Biden was officially cleared of any wrongdoing. You lived by your bogus conspiracy theories and you got burned just like all the other MAGAts did. You all were conned and you lost badly. 

41 days left until this orange criminal leaves office.     

Enjoy the next 4 years of President Joe Biden!  Thumb1:

No, Georgia election workers didn’t kick out observers and illegally count ‘suitcases’ of ballots
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/facebook-posts/no-georgia-election-workers-didnt-kick-out-observe/

Ukrainian prosecutors find no evidence against Hunter Biden: Audit probed energy company Burisma, of which Biden was a board member from 2014-2019
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/ukranian-prosecutors-finds-no-evidence-against-hunter-biden

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2799 on: December 09, 2020, 06:41:45 AM »