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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2800 on: December 09, 2020, 07:02:59 AM »
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I suggest you keep on watching and believing the Chinese News Network, The Guardian and Vanity Fair until the country is so deep in debt that the socialists will take over for the common good of humanity.   You can live on a bowl of Chinese rice can't you?   The big social media sites are censoring and banning news stories so that they have just become an Operation Mockingbird operation.   FBI is doing nothing to investigate affidavits and it is really sad that no light is being allowed in to disinfect the election process.    If Biden won, so be it.  Like Hunter Biden's laptop, sworn affidavits of election fraud brought forward are not looked at by the FBI - there is nothing to see and no need to investigate because the teevee tells you that!   Keep on drinking your Koolaid and lap it up like a little puppy dog.  Brainwash yourself good!    Don't ever think for yourself or your country!  This link below is banned from Facebook and Twitter because it had an opinion which was at odds with the officials - that is pure BS and PROPAGANDA management by socialist media sites!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/

Keep on believing that  "investigating an election process is a danger to democracy"! 

Alan. Michael Griffith is dodging my questions. Would you be willing to answer them?

Trump and Giuliani have made the following claims:

Claim 1: The Dominion Voting Systems computers turn Trump votes into Biden votes. This company is widely used throughout the United States including all six of the contested states of which Trump needs to flip three or four.

Claim 2: Invalid ballots were mailed in from people who had died, or had moved, or were no longer eligible voters for that state.

Claim 3: In Georgia, during the first night after election day, invalid ballots were brought inside suitcases that were kept hidden. Ok, brought in inside the normal ballot boxes and kept in plain sight under tables. They were then counted.

Question:

Which of these claims are true and which are false?


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2800 on: December 09, 2020, 07:02:59 AM »


Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2801 on: December 09, 2020, 09:18:09 AM »
Alan. Michael Griffith is dodging my questions. Would you be willing to answer them?

Trump and Giuliani have made the following claims:

Claim 1: The Dominion Voting Systems computers turn Trump votes into Biden votes. This company is widely used throughout the United States including all six of the contested states of which Trump needs to flip three or four.

Claim 2: Invalid ballots were mailed in from people who had died, or had moved, or were no longer eligible voters for that state.

Claim 3: In Georgia, during the first night after election day, invalid ballots were brought inside suitcases that were kept hidden. Ok, brought in inside the normal ballot boxes and kept in plain sight under tables. They were then counted.

Question:

Which of these claims are true and which are false?


Claim 3 was for sure when you certainly can see these boxes were brought out and 4 people left behind to count.  Of course you could claim the surveillance was doctored and time stamp erroneous.  That is a conspiracy!

Claim 2 needs to be broadened/clarified.   These votes need to have proof of validity.  In order to vote in person, you have to show ID.   Mail in votes needed to have signatures and addresses compared before being validated.  They were given a pass and mixed in with the legal votes and there is no way to go back and compare and validate once envelopes were opened.    That is why the fight is on now to verify signatures and addresses for those votes.  Truly a sham process and all those votes that can't be verified, should be thrown out!     
 
Claim 1 is likely the biggest scam.   The DVS voting system does actually have internet connections and Comey and others denied it.    If you can, watch the HBO Documentary Kill Chain.  If not, look at the free HBO trailer for that documentary and see Comey and others say it is not linked to the internet.   That is a laugh, data is loaded up from memory sticks and put online!   

https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/kill-chain-the-cyber-war-on-americas-elections

You should maybe read what your own Democrats said about DVS and election software!

https://alphanewsmn.com/in-letter-to-dominion-investor-klobuchar-said-issues-with-voting-machines-threaten-integrity-of-elections/

Maybe you should watch the first HBO documentary done in 2005!   So you can see how you can go in the backdoor and change the .xls sheets!  You could maybe win back the election were Gore admitted defeat to Bush in a very narrow electronic VLT game!
 

Then follow that up by looking at what Harri Hurst in that documentary said in March of this year 2020.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/03/23/software-i-hacked-in-2005-is-still-in-use-cyber-security-expert-hari-hursti-on-2020-presidential-election/

The youtube link is below and see what Harri Hurst says at 2:20 seconds.  No difference in software - still susceptible to manipulation like it was in early 2000s.


I know that is asking a lot and would take several hours for ya to do.  Of course, you won't bother looking as the teevee doesn't want you to go there and there is nothing to see anyway.  Maybe the court will see it different unless they are scared of riots and having the left go ballistic and knock them off or stack the court.  After the police get defunded and there becomes no need for cash bail to hold lawbreakers in.......interesting times!

Then follow that up and read the signed affidavit by a cybersecurity expert.  He mentions connection to Frankfurt and a lot of anomalies from machines - oh he did sign it as well!

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf

I don't think there is anything to see really - all claims false lol!  Bush himself used the software to help himself get re-elected.   The system is corrupt and ran by 3rd party "outsourced" providers.  DVS is worldwide and everyplace these machines were used before (starting in Venezeula and changing hands many times), there was always a controversy!   They all use the same root software which began with Smartmatic, Sequoia, Diebold and continued onto DVS.   

https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1334977348861620226

You might even look at perfect switches which were recorded.  Of course, these were edited and can be proved false!!!!!  The first one has been pulled from youtube - likely censored because it showed an exact shift of 560 votes on CNN, one candidate -560 while the other gained 560 - just a little glitch!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9WT-wV9oZk&feature=youtu.be

This 2nd youtube link is still live!   So why is everyone not allowed to voice an opinion and then you can make a decision as to what you want believe?   Everyone is too stupid I guess and so you have to control what people see and their very thought process.  You wouldn't want anyone to question the teevee - that would raise a lot of issues, maybe even cause some rioting!  BLM would have to come out again and march against the protestors!



Maybe you should look at this flowchart and the interconnections- it is very interesting.  Someone went to great lengths to invent it and even included ties to George Soros - all very much a conspiracy theory that should not be seen by anyone with reasonable intelligence!

https://www.fbcoverup.com/docs/library/Scrap-Electronic-Voting-Machines-NOW.pdf
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2802 on: December 09, 2020, 02:09:30 PM »
Alan, you can argue and make claims all you want, but the courts - where the evidence should be presented - is ruling against you every time. When 46 out 47 law suits are denied and the Supreme Court even refuses to hear a case, that should tell you enough about the quality (or rather lack thereof) of your arguments.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2803 on: December 09, 2020, 02:31:01 PM »
One clear indication that something was seriously wrong with the mail-in ballots is the fact that the rejection rate for mail-in ballots in this election was the lowest in recent history, even though the number of main-in ballots was, by far, the largest in history. In fact, the mail-in ballot rejection rate for November's election was lower than the rejection rate in the primaries earlier this year--the rejection rate for mail-in ballots in primaries is usually lower than the rejection rate in the general election.

In previous elections, as many as 10-15% of mail-in ballots were rejected. As a 2012 Reuters article explained, "For a variety of reasons, mail-in ballots are much more likely to be rejected than conventional, in-person votes" (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-campaign-mailin/mail-in-ballots-the-hanging-chads-of-2012-idUSBRE8A308I20121104). Yet, the mail-in ballot rejection rate in November's election was historically low. Indeed, in some key counties, the rejection rate was below 1% in the November election. Give me a break.

If the usual mail-in ballot rejection rate had occurred in November's election, Trump would have won, and won rather handily.

Shockingly, as of now, not one of the key swing states has conducted a genuine signature verification of their mail-in ballots. Georgia's feckless secretary of state refused to do so, despite a very public request from the governor. The Democratic governors and secretaries of state in Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania have refused to conduct a thorough, genuine audit of the mail-in ballot signatures. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots, more than enough to have altered the election results.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-donald-trump-patrick-basham-mark-levin

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2804 on: December 09, 2020, 03:03:20 PM »
Colin,

The reason Australia and New Zealand had success against COVID is because of strong leadership and the compliance of the citizens to follow the orders. If you had a significant portion of the population refusing to comply with the orders and a large segment of the media egging them on to break the rules, mocking masks, and calling the virus a "hoax" you'd be in a severe health crisis too.

These frauds over here pretend to be patriots and religious but their actions go against everything they claim they are. If the right wingers here followed the orders and wore masks we would have success just like New Zealand. Medical experts said if we all wore masks and locked down for 8 weeks we would significantly reduce the virus to where infections and death would be minimal to zero. We already could have accomplished that feat months ago but they refused to do so with each state having different or no requirements at all. Leadership starts at the top and we have a idiot who has no provided no leadership whatsoever. He blames others for his failures and we have a right wing media and a GOP joke of a party the enables and covers for him.       
 
Hospitals are being maxed out which is why new lockdown orders are being enforced to help stop new hospitalizations from COVID-19 because there will be no place to put new patients. Don't forget about people requiring hospitalization for other ailments. There won't be any place to put them. Even with this disaster looming, right wingers are still protesting against lockdowns.

The problem is, these deranged people are in a cult being brainwashed by their cult leader, right wing media, and lunatic conspiracy theorists that are given a platform to spew their disinformation. They are the reason that COVID-19 is out of control and why we are worse off 9 months later than we were before. They refuse to do the simple measures that will stop the spread of the virus and then attack the measures for not working. It's insane and tragic what has happened to our country with this orange scumbag leading the way for them to destroy our country based on hate, fear, lies, and disinformation. Trump is killing his own supporters in their own communities and these morons still don't care. They say "they will die for him". Yeah, that is called a cult.                   

Let me guess.  They wore masks and socially distanced!  Just like everyone in the US has done.  Old China Joe has a plan though!  He is going to mandate mask wearing.  Thirty-eight states have already done that for months and now have record high numbers of cases.  That is working great, but the kicker of course is that Old China Joe has no authority over the states except in places like federal buildings.  And everyone there is already wearing a mask.  Net impact - none.  Second, his goal is to distribute millions of doses of the Trump vaccine. Uh Oh.  That is already in the works thanks to the magnificent efforts of President Trump. Net impact - none because it is already in the works. Third, rejoin the China controlled WHO who covered up the spread of the virus and caused this disaster in the first place!  Net impact - more money wasted and spent on the same corrupt incompetents that failed us already.  Thankfully all this nonsense will be unnecessary once the Trump vaccine resolves the issue. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2806 on: December 09, 2020, 05:59:50 PM »
Alan. Michael Griffith is dodging my questions. Would you be willing to answer them?

Trump and Giuliani have made the following claims:

Claim 1: The Dominion Voting Systems computers turn Trump votes into Biden votes. This company is widely used throughout the United States including all six of the contested states of which Trump needs to flip three or four.

Claim 2: Invalid ballots were mailed in from people who had died, or had moved, or were no longer eligible voters for that state.

Claim 3: In Georgia, during the first night after election day, invalid ballots were brought inside suitcases that were kept hidden. Ok, brought in inside the normal ballot boxes and kept in plain sight under tables. They were then counted.

Question:

Which of these claims are true and which are false?



Claim 3 was for sure when you certainly can see these boxes were brought out and 4 people left behind to count.  Of course you could claim the surveillance was doctored and time stamp erroneous.  That is a conspiracy!

Claim 2 needs to be broadened/clarified.   These votes need to have proof of validity.  In order to vote in person, you have to show ID.   Mail in votes needed to have signatures and addresses compared before being validated.  They were given a pass and mixed in with the legal votes and there is no way to go back and compare and validate once envelopes were opened.    That is why the fight is on now to verify signatures and addresses for those votes.  Truly a sham process and all those votes that can't be verified, should be thrown out!     
 
Claim 1 is likely the biggest scam.   The DVS voting system does actually have internet connections and Comey and others denied it.    If you can, watch the HBO Documentary Kill Chain.  If not, look at the free HBO trailer for that documentary and see Comey and others say it is not linked to the internet.   That is a laugh, data is loaded up from memory sticks and put online!   

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Ok. Let’s just talk about Claim 1, “likely the biggest scam”. This claim can’t be true. Trump demanded, and got, a manual recount of the counties he was most suspicious of. And the manual recount matched very closely the counts they got when the ballots were run through the Dominion Voting Systems machines. How could that be? If thousands of “Trump” votes were turned into “Biden” votes, a manual recount would expose that.

Question:

What explanation to you have for why the manual recounts they conducted did not reveal this massive fraud with the Dominion Voting Systems fraud?


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2807 on: December 09, 2020, 06:01:36 PM »
Alan, you can argue and make claims all you want, but the courts - where the evidence should be presented - is ruling against you every time. When 46 out 47 law suits are denied and the Supreme Court even refuses to hear a case, that should tell you enough about the quality (or rather lack thereof) of your arguments.

If I had people marching, looting and burning in the streets, I would think twice about what I was saying too and whether I want to live and let live.   There are all too many threats issued against these people and when you know that the FBI and CIA are in control, you might just end up committing suicide with 2 bullets to the back of the head.  Coercion plays a big role in society these days and the rights entrained into the constitution are being trampled on and not followed.   The duty of the SCOTUS is to ensure that the constitution of the USA is being followed.  The left is  saying it is outdated and needs to change.    So be it.  However, the proper procedure for this was laid out in the constitution.  It doesn't mean you stack the court and make changes to it.   It means you need to go to the people of the country and have meaningful input - not let judges interpret according to their wishes.  It needs to be done by the will of the people and by national debate if you want to meddle with these things.  That is clearly laid out in the Constitution!   Any changes need to be done by the people, not by courts!

Can you imagine in CA that they want to defund the police, not take thugs into custody and release them on their own accord without posting bail?   That is a lawless society where the police power has been handed over to the criminal.   The judges are ruling for that - does it make sense to you?   The judges are right and law and order goes out the window!

Look at Michael Flynn case where really the only sticking accusation comes from the FBI who said that he lied to them.   What was the BIG lie that requires a prison term?  He was entrapped! These people that accused don't even show up in court - he never faced his accusers.  It was all only paper trail created to discredit the Trump campaign and FBI and CIA are allowed to hide behind smoke and mirrors.   They never proved that he did anything wrong - but the judge is vehement in saying that they  did.  As a "matter of national security, everything is redacted"!   Justice is finished in this country.  If no one investigates the real issue and throws people in jail for it, there is a problem and democracy will no longer exist.  It will be replaced by socialism where your freedoms will be controlled by government and the system will become a new feudal regime.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/judge-finally-dismisses-michael-flynn-case/

I suspect that China is the big new empire to come in - each empire only lasts for a season and the end is near in the USA when democracy is being foiled the way it has been.  In the history  of mankind, there never was a nation quite like the USA nor a constitution that held the rights of people in high esteem.   

Look at Hilary Clinton.
1) She had a server in her home (Barack knew it) with confidential information on it.
2) She paid for the Steeled dossier and Russian Collusion hoax through 3rd party techniques.
3) She destroyed 5 devices with a hammer and bleached laptops with evidence against her.

Look at Joe Biden.
1)You have a 78 year old man with dementia controlling the nuclear button of the country - he is just a yes man for someone.   
2) He even made a video tape at a CFR meeting where he bragged about blackmailing the Ukraine government into firing their prosecutor Shokin.
4) Hunter Biden laptop was taken by the FBI and held during the impeachment trial.  There is porno on that computer, could even involve his niece.
5) He runs a campaign from his basement and gets more votes than anyone else in history!
6)  It seems Joe himself like to reach up a few lady's skirts as well.

Not one person was convicted of anything that was done.    Either the system is flawed and rigged or these people are all so squeaky clean that it is ridiculous to think that.  Realize that if you control the media, you control the people.     Take free speech away and not allow anyone to voice a contrary opinion and what do you get?  This is what Facebook and Twitter are doing.   They decide what you get to see because you are too stupid to use common sense and make your own decisions about what to believe!

Did the Democrats not have any better leaders than this to put forward?   Epstein ends up committing suicide while being on suicide watch.   I would assume his lady friend will end up there too!  Look at Swalwell and his affair with the China girl or Nancy Pelosi who had to release one of her China spies in her own circle.   There is indisputable evidence that the Chinese have infiltrated the system and are working to undermine democracy and establish socialism.  COVID was a convenient plus.   Why do you think Chinese are happier to have Biden as Supreme Leader rather than Trump?  Are they for the people of the USA?
 
It is remarkable that the sheeple are allowing governments to entirely control their lives and take away their freedom of speech and the right to make decisions in their own lives.   You are no longer allowed to decide and use common sense with the COVID virus.  Prior to this,  life continued on -SARS, MERS H1N! etc. with precaution.   If you were sick, you socially distanced - that is common sense.  Look back at how this occurred in Germany, history is a great teacher.   The sheeple there were bombarded with propaganda and for a time Hitler got his way.   The people innocently believed, could not change it and it became out of their control.   They went to war for their great leader!   False flags used all the time.


 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2807 on: December 09, 2020, 06:01:36 PM »