Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Joe Elliott]

Well, it looks both Senate seats are going to the Democrats. So much for the power of Trump.

Why do I say that?

Consider this:

•   Georgia is a long-time red state.
•   In Georgia, if a candidate does not get over 50% of the vote, there has to be a runoff. That is why there was a runoff this year.
•   Never before, at least in the last 50 years, have a Republican candidate for the Senate lost a runoff. Even if they had fewer votes in the November election. Because Democrats often don’t show up in these special elections.
•   In November, both the Republican voters had the most votes, but not enough to reach 50%.
•   One of the Republican candidates, Perdue, was going for re-election, which should give him an edge.
•   The last time both Senate seats in a state flipped parties was in 1994 when Tennessee flipped from two Democrats to two Republicans.

Both Republican candidates came out on top. What the hell happened?

Trump happened. Trump’s support is no longer a magical elixir. While most Republican voters accept this “Stolen Election” narrative. I mean, why wouldn’t they? Millions sent their money to this billionaire to win a lost election, most of which he pocketed. So why wouldn’t they buy the “Stolen Election” story. The more he lies to them, the more he steals their money, the more they love him. He should try to sell them a bridge.

But that isn’t true of all Trump voters. Some were turned off by these weak claims. They might decide to send a message, to skip this election, or even to vote for the Democrats just this one time. To have some influence on Congress tomorrow.

And Trump’s continued focus on the Stolen Election. Is this something that is going to go away? Of is this something he is still going to be obsessed with a month from now, six months from now, 18 months from now when he is campaigning for candidates and supposed to stay on subject but keeps harking back to that stolen election of 2020. Is he really going to be much of an asset for a Republican candidate after the primaries? It doesn’t look like it.

In any case, something to think about for the Republican Senators and Congressmen before tomorrow’s Electoral College counting. If you’re going to sell your soul, make sure it’s for something worthwhile and not something that has greatly depreciated. Make certain that golden fiddle is not electroplated. “The Devil Went Down to Georgia” or should I say “The Devil Went Down in Georgia”. Yes sir, he sure did. And tomorrow he’s going down in Washington D. C.

[Joe Elliott]

Here is a pretty likely scenario for the next few years:

In the spring and summer, moderate Republicans, primaried out.

In November, Trump Republicans - Loser.

The Election in Georgia shows the future. Two candidates who can breeze through any Republican primary. And lose in November partly because a minority of Republicans think that they are traitors.

You guys think you got it bad now? Lost the Presidency and both houses. It can’t get any worse than that, can it? What do you think is going to happen a year and a half from now when Trump gets busy knocking out incumbents in the primary who had the best chance of winning in November? You think that’s going to get you control of the Senate back from the Democrats?

Eventually, the base of the Republican party will wise up. And go for candidates who can win in November. But in the meantime, the party is going to take a beating.

If this Georgia Senate race is not a wakeup call for any Republican’s out there, I don’t know what to say. Both elections lost. In Georgia! By candidates who got the most votes two months ago! But, hey, what do I care. I’m out of the party. You guys go knock yourself out. And don’t forget to send Trump some more money from time to time. And be sure to vote the way he tells you to. He won’t be leading you wrong.

[Rick Plant]

How are things working out in the liberal utopias of California and NY?  Places that have been run by libs for decades.   Are people moving there or fleeing in droves?  What conclusion can be drawn from this?  Do people like high taxes, illegals pouring into their state, homeless hoards taking over the cities, riots and anarchy?  No?  Have no fear.  China Joe has no principles.  He is an establishment, do nothing politician who will only do what he is told by his paymasters.  Mostly on Wall St. and in China.  But when the radicals invoke the 25th Amendment, all bets are off.  Kantala, who received not one vote even in the primaries, will be calling the shots soon.

More conspiracy and garbage from Richard. Maga was soundly defeated again. Enjoy these next 4 years!

[Rick Plant]

Do any of the Trump supporters have anything to say about Trump’s phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State? Defensible? Indefensible?

Would it be a good thing, if Cuba had free elections, for Castro to call one of his officials in one of 16 administrative divisions and say “Hey, in this last election, I need 11,000 more votes in your district. Just give me 11,000 more votes.” Would should we think if such a phone call took place? Should this be considered an example of Democracy in action. Afterall, Castro was the President of Cuba.

What do you think Trump’s phone call looks like to the rest of the world? In Britain. In Canada. In Australia. Perfectly defensible?

His supporters knows he's a criminal but they don't care.

They also know he lost the election but they want him to stay in power through an illegal coup. 

The rest of the world knows he's an Anti American scumbag as well as the majority of the United States. 

[Richard Smith]

Poor Old China Joe.  He will have control of the Senate.  There goes his excuse not to get anything done during his administration.  The radicals will be screaming for all manner of socialist programs and Establishment Joe will be sitting on hands waiting for his Wall St. paymasters to tell him what to do.  It should be fun.  I gave China Joe a year before the radicals invoke the 25th Amendment.  But now they will want to do so as quickly as possible to ensure they can act while they have the opportunity.  This couldn't set up any more perfectly for Trump in 2024.  Either China Joe caves to the radicals or he alienates them and gets nothing done.  Kantala "Fee-dom" Harris will get demolished by Trump.

[Joe Elliott]

Poor Old China Joe.  He will have control of the Senate.  There goes his excuse not to get anything done during his administration.  The radicals will be screaming for all manner of socialist programs and Establishment Joe will be sitting on hands waiting for his Wall St. paymasters to tell him what to do.  It should be fun.  I gave China Joe a year before the radicals invoke the 25th Amendment.  But now they will want to do so as quickly as possible to ensure they can act while they have the opportunity.  This couldn't set up any more perfectly for Trump in 2024.  Either China Joe caves to the radicals or he alienates them and gets nothing done.  Kantala "Fee-dom" Harris will get demolished by Trump.

“This couldn't set up any more perfectly for Trump in 2024.”

Yes, it could have been more perfectly set up for Trump. He could have demonstrated last night that candidates whom he supports and who support him to the hilt are winners. He failed to get that done. Too much focus on the “stolen” election.

What last night showed are that there are some Republicans, who voted for Perdue and Loeffler, and maybe voted for Trump in November, who did not vote for them in January. They don’t believe the election was stolen from Trump. They think the manual recount in Georgia matching the Dominion Voting Machines counts show the software was good. They think the Cobb county 150,000 signature checks in matching the signatures on file shows the mail-in ballots were also valid. They think Trump has been trying to steal the election, assisted by his toadies, like the two who lost the election last night. The same two who won the most votes just 9 weeks ago.

So, let’s forget about 2024 for the moment and concentrate on 2022. In 2022, Trump wants to “primary out” those Republican “traitors” like:
•   Senator John Thune of South Dakota
•   Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia
And I assume a bunch of others who didn’t go all out to support his bid to overturn the election today in Congress. These are the Republicans who have the best hope of winning in November 2022, assuming they can get past the primary.

Question:

Are you on board with this? Or do you think it would be better if Republicans ignore Trump’s leadership and continue to support these Republican candidates.


You know what I think would be smart? Try to “primary out” those Republicans who supported Trump’s attempt to steal the election. Like Senator Ted Cruz. If not, they will face in November the wrath of the same sort of Republican voters who doomed Perdue and Loeffler last night. It’s the best path of regaining the Senate as quickly as possible.

[Joe Elliott]

George W. Bush says he will attend Biden's inauguration as Trump considers plan for a rival attention-grabbing event.

I voted for George W. Bush in 2004, despite thinking he made a very bad mistake in going to war with Iraq (but not with Afghanistan). But I applaud this announcement today.

Perfect timing. Should take some of the wind out of the sails of those who want to try to overturn the election in Congress today. But, it’s too late. They already committed themselves. They’ll just have to through with this sorry exercise which I am certain they are already regretting starting last night.

Trump can go ahead and have a counter rally on January 20. He won’t have any Presidents show up in support but he can probably get the Proud Boys.

[Joe Elliott]

Rioters assaulting the Capitol Building. Senators and Congressmen forced to exit the Capitol.

There is no more debate. Trump must be charged with treason and sent to many, many years in prison. I have been against sending a President to prison. I didn’t want Nixon, Clinton or Trump (last year) to go to prison. But now I do. He called for this riot. This is an assault on Democracy.

Maximum force must be used of the rioters. Shoot them until the survivors are driven from the Capitol and keep on fleeing. No rioter found within the Capitol must be allowed to live. Now. Where is the National Guard?

The Joint Chiefs of Staff must order the arrest of President Trump and have Vice President Pence take over as acting President, immediately.