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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4593 on: February 03, 2022, 12:37:24 AM »
Donald Trump's having an awful week — and it's only Wednesday



Generally speaking, the Washington press corps and, in particular, the political reporters at the New York Times are not ones to engage in hyperbole when it comes to Donald Trump. If anything, the paper of record has been downplaying the ongoing saga of Trump's Big Lie and all the evidence that's been piling up about what happened in the lead-up to January 6th recently. But this week's Trump news seems to have shaken even their jaded attitude.

For instance, the Times' Peter Baker tweeted on Tuesday, "Even for Trump it's quite a week -- first dangling pardons for capitol attackers, then admitting his goal was to have 'overturned the election' and now calling on the House to investigate Pence for not throwing out votes of multiple states so a president who lost could keep power." Then the Times' Maggie Haberman, appearing on CNN on Tuesday night, said, "it's been a breathtaking couple of days." This NYT piece by Shane Goldmacher headlined "Trump's Words, and Deeds, Reveal Depths of His Drive to Retain Power" says it all.

Earlier this week, I wrote about Trump's scripted comments at the rally in Texas over the weekend in which he promised pardons for the January 6th insurrectionists who were "treated unfairly" and called for protests against prosecutors who are investigating him. But that was just the beginning. On Monday, Trump put out a truly revealing statement (which some might call an admission of guilt.)

Republican leaders have picked a side and it appears to be Trump's. As usual, there hasn't been much of an outcry about any of this. Oh sure, a few have said it's "inappropriate" to talk about pardoning the January 6th rioters and there has been some tut-tutting about how "the process worked" but that's about it.

Trump followed up his confession that he wanted to overturn the election by suggesting that the January 6th Committee should investigate Mike Pence if they believe he could have overturned the election and ask him why he didn't do it. I would guess that's Trump's pathetic attempt at trying to clean up his earlier comment but it's incredibly lame and self-defeating. He shouldn't be pushing Mike Pence toward the committee — Pence's closest aide and his lawyer both testified for hours this week.

It couldn't have helped his agitated mood to see new details emerge about those crazy meetings in the White House after the election when he and his lawyers were trying to find ways to do exactly what he wanted Mike Pence to do on January 6th: overturn the election. I've been intrigued by the one that took place on December 18th ever since it was reported and I wrote about it just the other day. What we knew was already so nuts that it's hard to believe it could be any loonier --- but it is.

Recall that General Michael Flynn, Trump lawyer Sidney "Kraken" Powell and the former CEO of Overstock.com somehow got into the White House and proposed to Trump that he sign an Executive Order naming Powell as Special Counsel to investigate the alleged election fraud and order the military to seize the voting machines. What we didn't know until the NY Times and CNN reported it this week is that Trump had earlier tried to get former Attorney General William Barr to have the Justice Department seize machines and Barr told him he could not do it because it would require probable cause and there wasn't any. (Barr resigned not long after.)

We also learned that when the idea of an Executive Order to the Penatagon was shot down by Rudy Giuliani and others, Trump directed Giuliani to see if the Department of Homeland Security could do it. And there was reportedly yet another draft Executive Order drawn up to that effect. In the end, none of the Executive Orders were signed and no one agreed to seize the voting machines. (Just imagine if they had actually tried to do that ...)

Until now, Trump has been portrayed as sort of passive in all this, simply receiving proposals from his minions and henchmen and not directing any of the action. It was never particularly believable except to the extent that he played the role of the mob boss who only has to quirk an eyebrow and his lieutenants know what to do. Fortunately for the country, as Salon's Amanda Marcotte points out, Trump was saved by his lackeys and accomplices, either because they were too inept to carry out the coup or because even they had reached the end of the line with his lunacy.

But Trump can no longer hide behind his henchmen. We now know that Bill Barr told him that seizing the voting machines was illegal without a court order which requires probable cause and there was none. Yet he still entertained the proposal that he issue executive orders to the Pentagon and DHS to do it anyway. And according to the Times, Trump also made overtures to state officials in Michigan and Pennsylvania to have law enforcement agencies take control of voting machines, which were rebuffed. He was clearly convinced that if he could get someone to seize those machines it could turn the tide and somehow overturn the election.

Was it that he believed Sidney Powell and Mike Flynn's inane conspiracy theories that said the machines were rigged by the very dead Hugo Chavez or had been surreptitiously sent to Italy to have the votes changed? Or did he just think that making such a dramatic move would change the dynamic and make the state actors take action to change the electoral count? It's hard to know. Trump believes that he can change reality simply be saying things over and over again (and it works on about 35% of the population.) Maybe he just thought he could will it to be true.

These latest revelations do show us just how different these days are than 48 years ago when it was revealed that Richard Nixon had tried to get the CIA to block the FBI's investigation into Watergate. That was known as the "smoking gun" in that case and it made dozens of Republicans and conservative Democrats turn against him. He resigned days later.

What Trump did was worse.

He tried to use the Department of Justice, the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security (and for all we know the CIA and the Department of Education too) to overturn a legal election that he lost. And his party shrugs. Worse than that he is the front runner for the nomination in the next presidential election. If, for some reason, he is actually held to account for any of this -- or anything at all -- it won't be because the Republican Party lifted a finger to make it happen.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4594 on: February 03, 2022, 12:40:34 AM »
Bombshell report: Trump almost handed out a blanket pardon to all Jan. 6 attackers before he left office

Former President Donald Trump nearly presented a blanket pardon to Capitol attackers from Jan. 6 before he left office later that month.

According to Politico, two people with direct knowledge revealed that in the weeks before he was kicked out of the White House, he called three times, asking an adviser about the idea.

"Do you think I should pardon them? Do you think it’s a good idea? Do you think I have the power to do it?" Trump said to the adviser.

In another call to an adviser, Trump asked several questions about how the attackers could be charged and what he could do to issue a uniform pardon to protect them.

"Is it everybody that had a Trump sign or everybody who walked into the Capitol?" was Trump's question. He wondered who could be pardoned.

“He said, 'Some people think I should pardon them.' He thought if he could do it, these people would never have to testify or be deposed," the adviser recalled Trump saying.

The conversation has resurfaced this week after Trump told a SaPersonay rally crowd in Texas that if he's reelected in 2024 that he "might" pardon the insurrectionists. At least one lawyer for Jan. 6 attackers said that the former president is putting his finger on the scales of justice. By promising a pardon, there is less of an incentive to cooperate with prosecutors.

Members of the House Select Committee on the Capitol attack have called Trump's SaPersonay comments an example of "witness tampering."

Read the full report at Politico:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/02/trump-considered-blanket-pardons-for-jan-6-rioters-before-he-left-office-00004738

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« Reply #4595 on: February 03, 2022, 12:55:00 PM »
Former business associate explains the exact circumstances when Trump rips up documents

On Wednesday, in response to the news that congressional investigators on had to tape up "ripped" documents from the National Archives related to White House communications from former President Donald Trump during the January 6 attack on the Capitol, reporter Hunter Walker outlined why this is so significant.

Specifically, wrote Walker, a former business associate of Trump explained that there is a specific — and incriminating — circumstance in which the former president tended to destroy documents in this manner.

"The business associate described Trump having a specific paper ripping ritual. However, they said only 'some documents' got the treatment and 'it really wasn’t a regular thing,'" reported Walker. "'He tears it once and then a second time, so it’s basically into quarters,' the associate said of Trump. 'He has no email address. He had no printer. So people would bring things to him and, if it was something that he just didn’t want, he would rip it in half, and then in half again, and put it in the garbage.'"

"According to the associate, Trump would only do this if 'he just wanted that document to go away,'" continued the report.

The former president sued to try to prevent the National Archives from turning over the documents, which had been authorized by President Joe Biden. Ultimately, the Supreme Court ruled 8-1 to deny Trump relief, allowing the documents to be transmitted to House investigators.

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Trump’s Promise to Pardon Jan. 6 Rioters Is Worse Than Watergate
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'Consciousness of guilt': Observers stunned by new revelations about Trump wanting to pardon MAGA rioters
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Lindsey Graham breaks with Trump again, doubling down on his opposition to pardons for the January 6 rioters
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Trump news – live: Ex-president ‘mulled’ blanket Jan 6 pardon in office and now accused of ‘witness tampering'
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4596 on: February 03, 2022, 01:07:36 PM »
'Real villain' Jeffrey Clark slammed for running 'a coup inside the Justice Department' by CNN legal analyst



On Wednesday's edition of CNN's "The Situation Room," former federal prosecutor Elie Honig tore into former Trump DOJ official Jeffrey Clark following his testimony to the House Select Committee investigating the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, in which he repeatedly took the Fifth Amendment.

"How significant is it that Jeffrey Clark, who tried to orchestrate the Trump coup plot from inside the Justice Department, actually appeared today after being threatened with contempt?" asked anchor Wolf Blitzer.

"Jeffrey Clark is a real villain in the whole story behind and leading up to January 6th," said Honig. "He's sort of slid under the radar, but let's remember, he tried to run a coup attempt inside the Justice Department to aid Donald Trump's effort to steal the election. He tried to get himself installed as the acting AG, going outside the chain of command. And he wrote a letter that falsely stated that DOJ had found evidence of election fraud."

"Now, if he took the Fifth today, he is entitled to do that, that's a constitutional right," added Honig. "But we in the public are entitled to know what an embarrassment and a disgrace it is for a former high-ranking DOJ official to have to hide behind the Fifth."

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Newly unearthed memos show Trump's campaign started plot to install fake electors just two weeks after election

The New York Times is reporting that a lawyer for former President Donald Trump's campaign drafted a memo that proposed installing fake "alternate" electors just two weeks after Trump lost the 2020 election to President Joe Biden.

The memo in question was written by an attorney named Kenneth Chesebro and was sent to a Wisconsin Trump campaign lawyer named James Troupis, and the Times says it's the first known instance of Trump legal allies floating the idea of replacing the actual state electors with pro-Trump stand-ins.

"At the heart of the strategy was the idea that their real deadline was not Dec. 14, when official electors would be chosen to reflect the outcome in each state, but Jan. 6, when Congress would meet to certify the results," writes the Times. "And in that focus on Jan. 6 lay the seeds of what became a pressure campaign on Vice President Mike Pence to accept the validity of a challenge to the outcome and to block Congress from finalizing Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory."

The Times also reports that the Chesebro memo was used by Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman as they crafted a plan to get Mike Pence to refuse to certify the results of the 2020 election on January 6th.

"The memos were initially meant to address Mr. Trump’s challenge to the outcome in Wisconsin, but they ultimately became part of a broader conversation by members of Mr. Trump’s legal team as the president looked toward Jan. 6 and began to exert pressure on Mr. Pence to hold up certification of the Electoral College count," the paper notes.

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MAGA-rioting GOP candidate claims Trump asked him to storm Capitol in 'military operation'



A Republican candidate in Missouri is admitting to his role in the Capitol insurrection, but says he's not worried about getting arrested.

Preston V. Smith, who's running for Jackson County executive, says he came within 10 feet of the doors leading to the Senate chamber on Jan. 6.

"But Smith denies that he went inside the building that day, clarifying one of his online posts that gave some the impression that he had entered the Capitol along with hundreds of other supporters of former President Donald Trump," the Kansas City Star reported Wednesday.

Three days after the insurrection, Smith wrote in the comments section of a local podcast's website: “I was within 10 feet of the Senate floor door. It was open and Capitol police were selectively pepper-spraying people who went in. Some got in, and some didn’t. So they wanted some people to get into the building. I didn’t try to get in because I didn’t know what I’d do once I got there. There is no doubt in my mind that our president asked me to come to DC on the 6th for this military operation.”

Smith's post led some people to believe that he had entered the Capitol, and was referring to the Senate doors inside the building.

"But Smith said Tuesday that the Senate floor door he was referring to is less familiar to the public, on the outside of the building, at ground level, two levels below the Senate floor," the Star reported.

“I did not go inside,” Smith said.

Regardless, Smith breached the barricades that had been set up to keep people away from the Capitol, and it is illegal to trespass on government property when access is restricted. But he claims he was within his constitutional rights.

“As far as I was concerned, I was there to peacefully protest and assemble," he said. "When I got there, there were no barricades. There were a handful of police officers that were there from the Capitol Police, but the doors were wide open. In fact, all the doors on the east side of the Capitol were.”

Smith will face an uphill climb in his bid to unseat incumbent Democrat Frank White, a well-known former baseball player for the Kansas City Royals. No Republican has won a countywide race in a century, the Star reported.

Asked about his potential opponent in the GOP primary, Smith indicated that he has no regrets about his role in the insurrection.

“I would ask Theresa Galvin why were you not there on Jan. 6,” Smith said. “I didn’t see her.”

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article257935548.html

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'Scam from the very beginning': Morning Joe explains how newly revealed memos expose Trump's 'intent' to steal the election

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said the latest reports on Donald Trump's efforts to undo his election loss show it was a "scam" from the start.

Newly revealed legal memos show the twice-impeached one-term president's allies intended to send alternate electors as early as mid-November, as part of an effort to pressure vice president Mike Pence to undo an election loss that wasn't officially determined at that point, and the "Morning Joe" host said that revealed the entire effort was bogus from the start.

"What were they doing?" Scarborough said. "Look at the states where he was claiming there were scam results. Wisconsin had a Republican legislature, Pennsylvania had a Republican legislature, Michigan had a Republican legislature. We said on this show months ahead of time, counted Election Day, count all of the votes Election Day, because there was a proposal to do it like Florida does, or else this is exactly what is going to happen and it happened."

"Florida, another swing state, had a Republican legislature," he added. "Georgia had a Republican legislature. I mean he -- and a Republican secretary of state and Republican governor. Again, this is Donald Trump -- this all shows intent, that it was just a scam from the very beginning."


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4598 on: February 03, 2022, 02:24:38 PM »
Trump's race-war fantasies continue to escalate — while the mainstream media pretends not to notice



Every day, Donald Trump becomes more his horrible true self. He commands the loyalty of tens of millions of people. He does not even pretend to be a statesman who loves America. He is a political cult leader, a sociopath and a model of antisocial and dangerous behavior. As psychologists and other public health experts have warned, Trump has "infected" many of his most loyal followers with the same mental pathologies.

Trump has an erotic attachment to violence, as do many of his followers. They are tied together by the Big Lie and other sadistic, and anti-human fictions. TrumpWorld is a malignant and vile alternate universe — one that longs to devour and consume the world as it actually exists.

Nearly every day we learn more evidence about Donald Trump and his cabal's attempted coup attempt. In the face of the Justice Department's flaccid approach to those crimes (at least to this point), Trump and his agents continue to attack American democracy, the rule of law and the Constitution, now in plain sight.

Last SaPersonay at a rally in Conroe, Texas, Trump communicated his clear intent to cause mass mayhem and destruction in the United States — in essence, his willingness to burn it all down — should he ever face punishment for the crimes he committed as president.

Trump told his followers: "If these radical, vicious, racist prosecutors do anything wrong or illegal, I hope we are going to have in this country the biggest protests we have ever had in Washington. D.C., in New York, in Atlanta and elsewhere because our country and our elections are corrupt."

He repeatedly described the prosecutors investigating him in New York, Washington and Atlanta as "racist." (All four are Black.) He also attacked them as being "mentally sick" and said they were committing "prosecutorial misconduct at the highest level."

Trump also told the crowd in Conroe that "in 2024, we are going to take back that beautiful, beautiful house that happens to be white, that is so magnificent and that we all love. We are going to take back the White House." All these remarks were read off a teleprompter, rather than improvised.

Trump is a master performer who knows his audience very well. In no way were they uncomfortable with his white supremacist invective and implicit invitations to violence. They applauded. This should not be surprising: Public opinion research has repeatedly shown that Trump's voters are motivated by a sense of white victimology and racial grievance politics, and by a belief that white people like them should remain dominant in our increasingly diverse country.

During his Conroe speech, Trump acted as a political crime boss and dictator in waiting, promising (preemptive) pardons for his followers who engage in political violence and other criminal or terrorist acts on his behalf.

"If I run and if I win, we will treat those people from Jan. 6 fairly," he said. "We will treat them fairly. … And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

This fits into a larger pattern. At his rally in Arizona several weeks earlier, Trump made false claims about the pandemic and health care that were framed in explicitly racial terms:

The left is now rationing lifesaving therapeutics based on race, discriminating against and denigrating — just, denigrating — white people to determine who lives and who dies. If you're white you don't get the vaccine, or if you're white you don't get therapeutics. It's unbelievable to think this. And nobody wants this. Black people don't want it, white people don't want it, nobody wants it. ... In New York state, if you're white, you have to go to the back of the line to get medical health — think of it, if you're white you go right to the back of the line. ... This race-based medicine is not only anti-American, it's government tyranny in the truest sense of the word.

Trump's statements are more than stochastic terrorism or other implied threats. These are direct instructions to his followers about who their enemies are. Trump has recently focused his attention on Black people, even more than usual. At the Philadelphia Inquirer, Will Bunch suggests that we should "drill down on arguably the most important and alarming word in Trump's statement: racist":

At first blush, it seems to come out of left field, in the sense of what could be racist about looking into a white man's role in an attempted coup or his cooked financial books? Except that it happens that three of the key prosecutors investigating Trump — the Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, New York Attorney General Letitia James, and new Manhattan prosecutor Alvin Bragg — as well as the chair of the House committee, Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, are all Black.

Thus, it's both alarming and yet utterly predictable that Trump would toss the gasoline of racial allegations onto his flaming pile of grievances, knowing how that will play with the Confederate flag aficionados within the ex-president's cult. In tying skin color into his call for mobs in Atlanta or New York, Trump is seeking to start a race war — no different, really, from Dylann Roof. Roof used a .45-caliber Glock handgun, while Trump uses a podium and the services of fawning right-wing cable-TV networks. Sadly, the latter method could prove more effective.

Trump's threats against Willis and James carry particular resonance at this moment, given that President Biden has announced his historic intention to nominate a Black woman to the Supreme Court.

Donald Trump is an entrepreneur of racial and ethnic violence. In that sense, he is not dissimilar to leaders in places like Rwanda or the former Yugoslavia, who used fear, lies, stereotypes and other dehumanizing and eliminationist rhetoric and threats of violence to encourage ethnic genocide. Trump has made it clear that he wants a "race war", where black and brown people are targeted for widescale violence by white people. There may be thousands, or tens of thousands (or even more) of white people willing to follow his orders. The danger is extreme.

The thousands of Trump's followers who attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, represent a deeper and broader group in American society who are becoming more radicalized and less restrained. While some of Trump's attack force may face incarceration, many have not been deterred in the least, and are only becoming more resolute and determined.

Fascist intimidation and threats of violence are being normalized across American society. Right-wing paramilitaries and street thugs are attempting to claim public space through marches, "protests" and other actions designed to signal their growing power and influence — and, most importantly, to intimidate those Americans who believe in pluralism and democracy.

Trump's fantasies of race war are only one part of a larger strategy aimed at turning America into a 21st-century apartheid state. Republicans intend to make it almost impossible for a Democratic candidate to win the presidential election — and many state and local elections as well. They are using the moral panic around "critical race theory" and other culture-war issues to impose an Orwellian reshaping of America's schools, where it will be illegal to tell the truth about American history or to discuss subject matter deemed to be "unpatriotic" or somehow "uncomfortable" for white people.

In Florida and other states, Republicans are using state authority and resources to silence dissent and protest. This includes laws that encourage right-wing vigilante violence, and the creation of "election police" intended to intimidate and harass Black and brown people as well as liberals, progressives and other "enemies" of "real America".

What should the American people do? Who is going to save democracy? Not the Department of Justice. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack has limited powers to hold Trump and his cabal responsible. The Democratic Party has repeatedly shown that it lacks even a basic understanding of how to explain or address the existential dangers posed by Trump and the Republican fascists.

The mainstream media has continued to fail in its primary task as guardians of democracy. Instead of clearly, consistently and forcefully telling the truth about Donald Trump and the neofascist movement, the news media remains addicted to horserace journalism, "both-sides-ism" and other forms of false equivalency.

Writing at Media Matters, Eric Kleefeld summarized these failures:

"Mainstream media outlets should be treating all of this as a five-alarm fire for American democracy and the U.S. Constitution. But instead, Politico's Playbook on Sunday pondered how Trump's declarations might affect Republican messaging and prospects for the midterm election….

The New York Times positioned Trump's comments in terms of supposed Republican infighting and messaging: "The statement signifies an increase in the intensity of the former president's push to litigate the 2020 election and comes days after Senator Mitch McConnell, the minority leader, issued a public warning to Republican candidates to 'respect the results of our democratic process' during an interview with CNN." (The alleged conflict among Republicans is also exaggerated by mainstream media outlets.)

The Washington Post ran a piece Sunday evening, titled "Trump's Texas trip illustrates his upsides and downsides for Republicans and their midterm hopes." Immediately after the paragraph detailing Trump's offer of pardons to January 6 rioters, along with his incitement of new demonstrations against district attorneys, the article proceeded to discuss what this might mean for Republican candidates in primary and general elections ...

And in a separate but also consequential example of missing the real message, The Associated Press said that Trump's "offer represents an attempt by Trump to further minimize the most significant attack on the seat of government since the War of 1812."

Trump didn't just "minimize" what happened, he is actively trying to seed more of it."


Pro-democracy Americans will need to organize across society with the goal of pressuring the Democratic Party, major corporations and other elites into pushing back forcefully against the Republican fascist movement's attacks on American democracy and freedom. Pro-democracy Americans will also need to organize on the local level to resist, survive and defeat the rising fascist tide.

In the end, it will be the American people, through direct action and mass mobilization — strikes, boycotts, direct action and other types of corporeal politics — who must save American democracy.

On his eponymous TV show, "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood," Fred Rogers told children (and the many adults who were watching as well) that if they were in trouble they should "look for the helpers." America needs Fred Rogers' wisdom now. The helpers are our neighbors and other members of the community who are willing to struggle and suffer for the possibilities of America's multiracial democracy and a more humane society. The helpers are those who have been sounded the alarm, sometimes at great personal risk, about the dangers of Trump's regime. But in the end we are adults, not children. The most essential helpers are looking back at us in the mirror.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-s-race-war-fantasies-continue-to-escalate-while-the-media-pretends-not-to-notice/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #4599 on: February 04, 2022, 12:35:15 AM »
Trump knew he lost Wisconsin -- and newly revealed memos prove it: election law expert

The timing of a newly revealed memo indicates that Donald Trump knew he lost the election in Wisconsin -- but intended to overturn the results, according to one expert.

The New York Times obtained memos that shows Trump attorneys Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman intended to exploit ambiguities in the Electoral Count Act to overturn his loss, but election law expert David Becker said the timing showed the twice-impeached one-term president was aware his team's legal claims were false.

"Important to note that the same day the Trump campaign sent a memo to WI seeking to overturn the will of WI voters, 11/18, was the deadline for Trump to demand a statewide recount, which he declined to do," said Becker, the executive director and founder of the Center for Election Innovation and Research.

"And it was 2 weeks before WI’s deadline to certify the election," Becker added. "In essence, what this reporting demonstrates is that Trump was trying to overturn results that weren’t even certified yet, and which he didn’t think were worthy of statewide recount."

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-wisconsin/

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