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« Reply #5256 on: June 08, 2022, 03:18:14 PM »
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Jan. 6 committee’s first hearing will highlight the tipping point moment when riot began



The House Select Committee investigating the January 6th Capitol riots has identified what investigators see as the tipping point that kicked off the U.S. Capitol riot, and they'll highlight that evidence during their first public hearing.

The panel will show how Donald Trump supporters marching on the U.S. Capitol turned into a violent mob, and Guardian reporter Hugo Lowell told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that one key exchange between Proud Boys member Joe Biggs and another man, Ryan Samsel, was seen as the tipping point in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

"The way this is going to work, there's going to be a first hour where chairman Bennie Thompson and [Rep. Liz] Cheney will make opening arguments and provide a road map for the hearings ahead," Lowell explained, "and in the second hour, they'll get to the live witness testimony. Nick Quested, the live documentary filmmaker, will sit in the middle of the room, and next to him will be Capitol police officer Caroline Edwards, and it's basically going to track the footage that Nick Quested had shot on Jan. 6."

Quested had embedded with the Proud Boys and shot footage the day before the riot, but Lowell said the panel will focus on video he recorded as the violence first erupted.

"They're going focus on key moments like, when the Proud Boys member Joseph Biggs had an exchange, a brief exchange and an altercation with another man in the crowd, this man called Ryan Samsel, and people following the Capitol attack believe that's the moment when the Capitol attack started," Lowell said. "That's where the barricades got knocked over and Caroline Edwards got hit with a barricade and knocked backwards. It will illustrate the moments immediately before the Capitol attack, and that will be the focus of the first hearing."

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« Reply #5257 on: June 08, 2022, 04:00:48 PM »
One of the first officers injured on Jan. 6 will testify in public House hearing
Capitol Police Officer Caroline Edwards suffered a concussion during the assault on the U.S. Capitol.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/first-officers-injured-caroline-edwards-jan-6-public-house-hearing-rcna32327

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5258 on: June 08, 2022, 04:08:46 PM »
Jared Kushner tried 'washing his hands' of Trump after he lost -- but it came at a cost



Jared Kushner began mentally checking out of the White House shortly after his father-in-law's election loss, and his distance created an opening for conspiracy theorists and cranks to get close to the president.

Donald Trump's son-in-law had long been the president's most influential adviser, but he and wife Ivanka Trump -- also White House adviser -- never really believed the 2020 election had been stolen, so they started planning their life after the administration would end as various legal challenges failed, reported the New York Times.

"While the president spent the hours and days after the polls closed complaining about imagined fraud in battleground states and plotting a strategy to hold on to power, his daughter and son-in-law were already washing their hands of the Trump presidency," the Times reported.

"Their decision to move on opened a vacuum around the president that was filled by conspiracy theorists like Rudolph W. Giuliani and Sidney Powell, who relayed to Mr. Trump farcically false stories of dead voters, stuffed ballot boxes, corrupted voting machines and foreign plots," the report continued. "Concluding that the president would not listen even to family members urging him to accept the results, Mr. Kushner told Mr. Trump that he would not be involved if Mr. Giuliani were in charge, according to people he confided in, effectively ceding the field to those who would try to overturn the election."

The new reporting is based on interviews with a number of individuals close to Kushner and the former president for the book, “The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021,” by Times reporter Peter Baker and New Yorker reporter Susan Glasser.

"To Mr. Kushner, his father-in-law’s decision to turn once again to Mr. Giuliani was a red flag," the I reported. "As far as Mr. Kushner was concerned, Mr. Giuliani was an erratic schemer who had already gotten Mr. Trump impeached once because of his political intriguing in Ukraine, and nothing good would come of the former mayor’s involvement in fighting the election results. But instead of fighting Mr. Giuliani for Mr. Trump’s attention, Mr. Kushner opted out entirely, deciding it was time to focus on his own future, one that would no longer involve the White House."

This scheme -- which culminated in the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection -- ultimately did get Trump impeached a second time, and the former president remains under investigation by the Department of Justice and prosecutors in various states for possible criminal violations, and the House select committee will begin public hearings Thursday to present evidence of possible crimes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/08/us/politics/jared-kushner-trump-jan-6.html

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« Reply #5259 on: June 08, 2022, 06:04:22 PM »
Mark Meadows assured GOP leadership he could control Trump — while letting election ‘crazies’ into the White House
https://www.rawstory.com/mark-meadows-jan-6-2657476416/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5260 on: June 09, 2022, 12:31:52 AM »
Trump's defense is beginning to fall part: analyst



In a Washington Post analysis, reporter Phil Bump followed one of the ongoing questions about what Donald Trump actually believes and what he's simply saying to make people like him. Trump has spent the past several decades switching key positions on issues from Democratic to Republican to far-right.

The most famous example was his pro-choice stance, which then evolved into putting women in prison for having an abortion. He then had to walk that back. Trump, who has been married three times and had multiple affairs, embraced Christianity once he became a Republican candidate for president. He then spent the campaign and his first year in office fumbling many questions about the Bible or religion.

Bump asked if Trump truly believed "the tens of thousands of things that would be fact-checked by the time he left office? Or did he simply pretend to believe them? Was the truth in the middle, that he sort of believed them or convinced himself of them because it was useful to do so?"

The question has been part of an ongoing psychological exploration among academics trying to understand and predict the erratic behavior of the president. After Jan. 6, 2021, however, "the exercise became more concrete," wrote Bump.

On Thursday, the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack and the conspiracy that led up to the violence will explore crimes committed after losing the 2020 election. The crimes they'll cite are the obstruction of an official proceeding, something many of the other insurrectionists are being charged with. Another will be a conspiracy to defraud the United States, which could be applied to the fake electors the Trump campaign used to replace the Democratic electors as well as his attempt to obstruct "lawful governmental functions."

"In each case, though, there’s a legal box to check. Trump must be shown to have tried to disrupt the transition of power to Joe Biden corruptly; that is, that he did so knowing that he had no right to do so," explained Bump. "There’s a difference between breaking the window of a jewelry store to steal diamonds and breaking the window to help put out a fire."

Trump is claiming that he saw a fire so that's why he broke the window. So, bringing together those closest to him after the election will expose whether Trump actually knew that there wasn't a fire, or whether he set the fire himself to justify breaking the window, to continue with the metaphor.

The new report Wednesday came from son-in-law and former top aide Jared Kushner, who was flying back from the Middle East on Jan. 6. Kushner didn't land until after the attack was over on Jan. 6 and he didn't go back to the White House. In fact, he simply drove home. The following day, friends reported that Kushner and Ivanka had a dinner party where they didn't even address the attack.

The report says that Kushner decided not to stand with the former president about the false claims about the election loss.

“No matter how vociferously Mr. Trump claimed otherwise, neither Mr. Kushner nor Ivanka Trump believed then or later that the election had been stolen, according to people close to them,” New York Times reporter Peter Baker writes. “While the president spent the hours and days after the polls closed complaining about imagined fraud in battleground states and plotting a strategy to hold on to power, his daughter and son-in-law were already washing their hands of the Trump presidency.”

The comments generated a question as to whether Kushner hung his father-in-law out to dry before the House committee. Baker reported that Kushner told Trump he wouldn't help with any efforts that Rudy Giuliani was involved in. It's unclear, however, if Kushner or Ivanka told their father that the election wasn't stolen.

There have been a list of people who did make that clear to Trump. His former attorney general, Bill Barr, the White House counsel, Kellyanne Conway, and longtime aid Hope Hicks are among those.

“I may have been the first person Donald Trump trusted in his inner circle who told him that he had come up short this time,” claims Conway in her new book. "For a president who many thought surrounded himself with yes-men, that was never the case until 2020. And it proved costly from November to January.”

So, while people like Sidney Powell, John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani had the president's ear, he had longtime trusted allies telling him that he lost the election.

It's difficult to defend Eastman, Powell and Giuliani as they claim that there was no corrupt intent, Bump argued. Over and over again, judges looked at the claims of election fraud only to find that they were either made up or not actually a fraud.

There's also the matter of Trump's call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Trump made it clear in that call that he had lost the election, and "just want[ed] to find 11,780 votes." He then claimed that he won the election. So, it's unclear if Trump believed he won another state he couldn't control and wanted the vote to be "found" in Georgia to counter that. Trump told Raffensperger that he didn't care how the votes were found or what the facts were, he just needed more votes than they actually had to win the state that he knew had been lost.

Read the full analysis from Bump at the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/08/new-erosion-trumps-defense-against-criminal-prosecution/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5261 on: June 09, 2022, 11:00:05 AM »
No surprise that Faux Propaganda won't be airing the January 6th Committee Hearing tonight at 8pm Eastern Time since they are co-conspirators in Trump' s coup attempt and pushed "election fraud" lies and conspiracies which helped to incite the insurrection on Jan 6th. The nightly right wing hack hosts had a direct line to Mark Meadows for communication where they coordinated all their right wing talking points.     

Fox News' Jan. 6 disinformation started well before the hearings
After spreading election lies that fueled the Capitol riot, Fox News won’t be airing the first Jan. 6 committee hearing Thursday.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/fox-news-january-6-disinformation-started-well-hearings-n1296139


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5262 on: June 09, 2022, 11:53:38 AM »
Fox News viewers have no clue: Network blocks nearly all critical coverage of Donald Trump



I doubt there is anyone in America who is surprised that Fox News has decided not to carry the January 6th committee hearings. Why would they want to make their audience feel disoriented with a bunch of disturbing information they've heard nothing about despite tuning in regularly to their favorite "news" network? It would be like getting a dispatch from another planet. It's very upsetting, and if there's one thing neither Republicans nor their propaganda channels are willing to do it's make their followers angry.

Recall that Fox News was the first network to call the Arizona election for Joe Biden, which sent the entire right-wing into a frenzy. It resulted in Fox finally giving up any pretense of being a real news network. According to "Hoax: Donald Trump, Fox News, and the Dangerous Distortion of Truth" by CNN's Brian Stelter, Trump got the ball rolling by tweeting out his anger and going on "Fox and Friends" to complain, asking: "What's the biggest difference between this and four years ago? I say Fox. It's much different now." Soon his rabid supporters were gathering outside the Phoenix, Arizona counting center yelling "Fox News Sucks" and Facebook groups were forming telling people to switch to Newsmax and One America News. And for a while, they did just that. In December of 2020, for the first time, Newsmax actually beat Fox News in the ratings. Fox executives greeted this crisis as an existential threat with one producer telling Stelter, "we're bleeding eyeballs, And we're scared." Their ratings were nosediving "20, 25, 30 percent, even though the news cycle was nothing short of epic."

Remember, this was the post-election period — it was epic indeed. Stelter wrote:

"Our audience hates this," one executive said to me in a moment of candor. "This" was Biden as president-elect and Kamala Harris as VP-elect. "They're pissed," said a second source. "Seething," said another.

The word apparently came from on high that they'd better figure out a way to get their audience back. So Fox News fired the election team that called the Arizona election results and re-tooled immediately, starting by giving the audience what they were demanding: false hope. They pushed the voter fraud conspiracies to the point that Fox News even became the subject of huge defamation lawsuits by the voting machine companies. And then the network went after anyone who didn't go along with the program.

Rupert Murdoch himself was said to be guiding decisions to remove anyone who wasn't deemed hysterical and shrill enough to entice the disappointed Trumpers back into the fold, marginalizing the few more or less straight news people and giving carte blanche to their "opinion" personalities to follow their bliss into the right-wing fever swamps. The result is Tucker Carlson and his Great Replacement Hour.

Media Matters did a deep dive a while back into how Fox News ended up covering the post-election period:

Fox and its associates did everything they could to support Trump's autocratic maneuvers. In the two weeks after media outlets called the race for Biden, Fox personalities questioned the results of the election or pushed conspiracy theories about it nearly 800 times. They put the credibility of the network behind deranged lies about fraud plucked from the internet fever swamps, beaming bat***t fantasies out to a huge national audience. It worked—polls following the election showed a majority of Republicans believed that the election was stolen from Trump.

But hosts, contributors, and guests went further than simply lying to their viewers—they pushed for action. They attacked Republican state officials for being insufficiently committed to Trump's scheme; called for the arrests of election workers; suggested that Republican state legislators in states Trump lost should "appoint a clean slate of electors" who support him; promoted fake Trump electoral slates for supposedly keeping Trump's "legal options open"; suggested a "do-over" election as "the only remedy"; called for congressional investigations; endorsed a lawsuit by Republican state attorneys general asking the Supreme Court to throw out results in four states Biden won; urged Republican governors not to certify unfavorable results; and denounced Republican members of Congress for "destroying the Constitution" by voting to count the electoral votes.


As for the January 6th committee, Philip Bump of the Washington Post compiled a comparison of the three cable networks' coverage and found that Fox covered January 6th itself far less often than the others and the committee even less. He writes that "CNN has mentioned the committee more than four times as often as has Fox News on average; MSNBC has mentioned it five times as much on average." There is almost a blackout on the stories regarding the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys who have been indicted on charges of seditious conspiracy.

Basically, Fox viewers are almost completely in the dark about the insurrection or the revelations since then, including the work of the Department of Justice and the January 6th Committee, not to mention the many stories reported in the media about the coup plot itself. They know almost nothing about former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows' involvement in every aspect of the attempts to overturn the election and they certainly don't know that as the mob was storming the Capitol, their favorite Trump-loving Fox News celebrities were bombarding the White House with texts begging them to get Trump to call off the rioters.

Fox intends to keep it that way. They announced on Tuesday that they will have their news anchors follow the hearings on Fox Business Network (which only gets a fraction of the audience of Fox News during that time period) so their marquee talent can do their usual shows. One of them even said the quiet part out loud:

Ingraham: "They’re all upset that Fox isn’t covering it live. We actually do something called, you know, cater to our audience…"

Watch: https://twitter.com/i/status/1534360195954089984

Their audience doesn't want to hear any news that makes them unhappy so Fox will keep giving them what they want: owning the libs, Dr. Suess and Mr. Potatohead --- and white nationalism. ( As you can see, they've even got the beloved, charismatic, superstar Steven Miller on as a regular these days.) If "the news" was a person, it could sue Fox News for fraud and win.

https://www.rawstory.com/fox-news-viewers-have-no-clue-network-blocks-nearly-all-critical-coverage-of-donald-trump/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5263 on: June 09, 2022, 12:39:19 PM »
Ah, another right winger trying to downplay the January 6th Committee Hearings.

The majority of Americans elected President Joe Biden and an attempted coup by Criminal Donald and the Republican party matters to "normal people". That's why they will be tuning in tonight at 8PM Eastern to watch these hearings.

Gas prices and inflation is high around the world due to the global pandemic, Big Oil Price Gouging, and Putin's war in Ukraine. Gas in the United States is cheaper than around the world. And let's not forget that gas prices in the United States could be lowered immediately if the Republicans in the Senate would allow "The Big Oil And Gas Price Gouging Bill" to be passed. Instead, they are purposely blocking the bill to keep gas prices high so they can keep falsely attacking Biden and Democrats. This bill passed in the Democratic House but every single Republican voted against the bill. Republicans want you to pay more at the pump.

There are no "job killing mandates". President Biden has created nearly 9 million jobs already which is the most jobs ever created in history.

And "CRT" is a made up right wing conspiracy theory because the white supremacists in the GOP don't want slavery or civil rights being taught in school anymore because it offends white supremacists. So, Republicans are banning books in schools and going after teachers and schools who teach what has been taught for at least hundred years or more in regards to slavery. Civil rights being taught for well over 50 years. Yes, this is Republican fascism. They vote to ban books but won't vote to lower your gas prices. Republicans are playing politics with your finances!

Here are the current gas prices from around the world posted below. The United States pays less for a gallon of gas than other countries.

And below that, once again, the final House vote showing ALL Republicans voting "NO" to lower your gas prices on a bill that would stop Big Oil from gouging consumers for profit. Republicans are purposely making you pay more for gas because they think paying high gas prices will make you angry enough to vote for them instead. Republicans are sadistic and cruel playing politics with people's lives. But what do you expect from a party who tried to steal an election via a violent coup and install Criminal Donald as their cult leader? Republicans will do anything to seize control of power.                   







Yes, U.S. gas prices are lower than these 8 other places around the world
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5263 on: June 09, 2022, 12:39:19 PM »