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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5264 on: June 10, 2022, 12:32:54 AM »
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5265 on: June 10, 2022, 02:14:41 AM »
Donnie is so pathetic and desperate. He's going to prison for treason!

Trump pushes TV ad attacking Jan. 6 committee: ‘Everything I’m telling you is the TRUTH’
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2657485356/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5266 on: June 10, 2022, 06:58:41 AM »
That's why Donnie is known as Criminal Donald. Lock him up for treason!     

Trump's 'criminal intent' proven: Many viewers convinced Trump can be declared guilty after one hour of J6 hearing



Both Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) and Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-CA) spoke to Raw Story ahead of the first hour of the Thursday hearing. Both calmly explained that they had all of the information and that their facts have been checked extensively.

"We're prepped, we're ready," Aguilar made it clear. "It feels like it's ready to tell this chapter."

After just one hour, the internet erupted at the videos of top officials in President Donald Trump's campaign and the White House effectively revealed enough information that could implicate the president.

Lawyer George Conway tweeted that the statements from Jason Miller, in particular, proved that Trump had knowledge that he was going to lose and that he lost. That, Conway explained, proves Trump's criminal intent.

George Conway @gtconway3d

Trump campaign aide Jason Miller: Trump was told "in pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose."

That's direct evidence of Trump's mens rea—his criminal intent.




Others flocked to joke about the fact that Trump's own family has turned on him. It was teased throughout Wednesday and Thursday that Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner were going to be honest about their beliefs that the president lost.

You can see other comments from those about what they witnessed and the questions that they continue to have about a majority of the Republican Party, who continue to deny the 2020 election and what took place on Jan. 6.

See the comments in the link below:

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-january-6-criminal-intent/

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« Reply #5267 on: June 10, 2022, 07:08:48 AM »
Jan. 6 hearing plays Bill Barr tape calling Trump’s election delusions ‘BS’



The House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol played video of former Attorney General Bill Barr describing Donald Trump's election fraud lies as "bullsh*t" during Thursday's prime-time hearing.

"Donald Trump lost the presidential election in 2020," Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS), the select committee's chair, said during his opening remarks.

"The American people voted him out of office. It was not because of a rigged system. It was not because of voter fraud," he said. "Don't believe me? Hear what his former attorney general had to say about it."

Thompson warned the audience that the clip of Barr contained "strong language."

"I had three discussions with the president that I can recall," Barr said.

"One was on Nov. 23rd, one was on Dec. 1 and one on Dec. 14 and I've been through the give and take of those discussions and in that context I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff which I told the president was bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns and I didn't want to be a part of it and that's one of the reasons that went into me deciding to leave when I did," he said.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5268 on: June 10, 2022, 09:05:58 AM »
Criminal Donald said Mike Pence "deserved to be hanged" by his radical cult followers for not helping to steal the election from the American people.   

The Biggest Takeaway From the First Night of the Jan. 6 Hearings Was About Mike Pence


Former Vice President Mike Pence is seen on a screen during a hearing by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol on June 09, 2022 in Washington, DC.

On Thursday, the House select committee to investigate the Jan. 6 attack held the first of a series of summer hearings to illuminate the findings of their year-long investigation into the Donald Trump-inspired insurrection and attack on the Capitol.

Ranking member Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming led a compelling 30-minute introduction that featured new footage of interviews with key witnesses including former Attorney General William Barr, Trump’s son-in-law and advisor Jared Kushner, and Trump’s daughter and advisor Ivanka Trump. While many of the new details in these video snippets merely expanded on information already known, there were a series of crucial revelations about Vice President Mike Pence: Basically, it was confirmed that Pence was acting as president on Jan. 6, even as he was being hunted by a mob that Donald Trump had virtually sent after him.

First, Cheney expanded on last month’s blockbuster reporting by Politico that “Trump had signaled a positive view of the prospect of hanging the vice president.” The critical new details stated by Cheney were this:

Aware of the rioters’ chants to hang Mike Pence, the president responded with this sentiment: “Maybe our supporters have the right idea.” Mike Pence “deserves it.”

This followed Trump’s rally at which he told his supporters he would be disappointed if Pence didn’t single-handedly overturn the election results during the electoral college certification. It was also around the time that he tweeted “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution” as Trump supporters stormed the Capitol chanting for Pence’s head.

During the riots, Pence was escorted to safety by secret service agents, even as the mob swarmed the inside of the Capitol rotunda. As president, it was Trump’s duty to restore order to the nation’s government and call off the mob he had sent after Pence. But it was actually Pence that was issuing the orders for the military to send the National Guard. Those troops would eventually clear the Capitol.

Cheney said that the month-long hearings would lay out what had previously been assumed about Trump’s actions that day—that the president did nothing to stop the violence. It was not previously known that Pence was directing the response from his siege bunker.

“Not only did President Trump refuse to tell the mob to leave the Capitol, he placed no call to any element of the United States government to instruct that the Capitol be defended. He did not call his secretary of defense on Jan. 6. He did not talk to his attorney general. He did not talk to the department of homeland security. President Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day. And he made no effort to work with the department of justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets,” Cheney said. “Vice President Pence did each of those things.”

Cheney then played video of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark Milley, describing how Pence responded in the crisis.

“There were two or three calls from Vice President Pence. He was very animated and he issued very explicit, very direct unambiguous orders. There was no question about that,” Milley said in an audio-recorded sworn deposition. “But he was very animated, very direct, very firm, and to Secretary [of Defense Christopher] Miller: ‘Get the military down here, get the Guard down here. Put down this situation,’ etc.”

By contrast, Milley testified that Trump gave no such orders. Rather, his communication with the White House involved Chief of Staff Mark Meadows asking the nation’s military leadership to pretend that Trump was still in command.

“He said, ‘we have we have to kill the narrative that the vice president is making all the decisions,’” Milley testified. “‘We need to establish the narrative that the president is still in charge and that things steady or stable,’ or words to that effect. I immediately interpreted that as politics, politics, politics. Red flag for me personally, no action. But I remember it distinctly.”

The Pence revelations were the biggest of the hearing, but blunt video testimony from Barr and Ivanka Trump also proved momentous.

Barr testified that he told the former president that the Department of Justice had investigated his fraud allegations about the election, and that Barr told Trump they were “bull**it.”

“I saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations but they were made in such a sensational way that they were obviously influencing a lot of people, members of the public,” Barr testified, referring to Trump’s claims that the election was stolen. “I told them that it was crazy stuff and that they were wasting their time on that and it was doing a grave, grave disservice to the country.”

Ivanka Trump, in testimony, said she agreed. “I respect Attorney General Barr so I accepted what he was saying,” Ivanka said in a pre-recorded video.

Richard Donoghue, who took over as acting deputy attorney general after Barr left his job in Dec. 2020, also testified that DOJ officials went so far as to tell the White House that Trump’s efforts to get the Department of Justice to parrot his fraud claims were an attempt to outright corrupt the election.

“I recall towards the end saying ‘what you’re proposing is nothing less than the United States Justice Department meddling in the outcome of the presidential election,’” Donoghue testified.

In spite of the day’s dramatic revelations, it seems likely that House Republicans and the rest of the party will continue to rally around the former president, and even Democratic representatives seemed to acknowledge as much. “It’s a reminder that there was a period of time in the days and weeks after Jan. 6 when everybody who now defends the president, and embraces the lie, understood exactly what had happened and in some cases was apparently ashamed of their role,” Rep. Tom Malinowski said. “It was striking to hear—not surprising, but striking—to hear the former president’s attorney general say, finally, that it was all ‘bull**it.’”

The day’s live witnesses included Capitol police officer Caroline Edwards, who testified about the moment that Officer Brian Sicknick was attacked with chemical irritant. “I see movement to the left of me and I turned and it was Officer Sicknick with his head in his hands and he was ghostly pale,” Edwards said. “He turned just about as pale as this sheet of paper.” Edwards was then herself sprayed in the eyes by chemical irritant, and Sicknick suffered two strokes and died one day later.

After the hearing, Sicknick’s partner Sandra Garza exchanged a long hug with Edwards. Other officers were there in support of the Edwards, including Capitol Police officer Harry Dunn, who testified at last summer’s opening Jan. 6 hearing and was wearing a T-shirt that offered the dictionary definition of the word “insurrection” next to another definition that read simply: “January 6, 2021.”

As Dunn told reporters of Trump’s failure to act that day: “I can’t say I’m surprised anymore. Disappointed. He’s got a job to protect not just us, but this country. He didn’t.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/06/jan-six-hearing-trump-wanted-hang-mike-pence.html

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« Reply #5269 on: June 10, 2022, 09:11:33 AM »
DeVos says she had 25th Amendment discussions with Mike Pence and Cabinet members



WASHINGTON — Betsy DeVos, who served as former President Donald Trump's secretary of education, is acknowledging publicly for the first time that she discussed the possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment with other Cabinet members and then-Vice President Mike Pence following the Jan. 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol attack.

DeVos resigned from her post on Jan. 7, 2021, the day after pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol. Before she left, she told USA Today in a new interview on Thursday, she explored whether using the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office was a viable option before departing the administration.

She said Pence told her he would not support using the 25th Amendment and that his backing would be necessary for such an effort to be successful.

"I spoke with the vice president and just let him know I was there to do whatever he wanted and needed me to do or help with, and he made it very clear that he was not going to go in that direction or that path," DeVos told USA Today. "I spoke with colleagues. I wanted to get a better understanding of the law itself and see if it was applicable in this case. There were more than a few people who had those conversations internally."

DeVos said she ultimately determined that using the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office was almost certainly not going to be a viable option and resigned later that day.

DeVos did not immediately respond to a request for comment from CNN.

The remarkable admission comes as the House select committee investigating Jan. 6 is set to hold its first public hearing in prime time on Thursday, when it will attempt to make the case that Trump was at the center of a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election and prevent the transfer of power to President Joe Biden.

Trump's pressure campaign on Pence to help overturn the election outcome and witness testimony about his apparent lack of concern for his then-vice president's safety as the violence was unfolding on Jan. 6, 2021, have emerged as key areas of focus in the probe.

In her interview with USA Today, DeVos stopped short of blaming Trump directly for the violence but did say he could have done more to stop it.

"When I saw what was happening on Jan. 6 and didn't see the president step in and do what he could have done to turn it back or slow it down or really address the situation, it was just obvious to me that I couldn't continue," she said in the interview.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50420424/devos-says-she-had-25th-amendment-discussions-with-mike-pence-and-cabinet-members

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« Reply #5270 on: June 10, 2022, 12:42:04 PM »
Georgia DA Fani Willis is confident as her Trump probe takes shape



ATLANTA — Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is taking an unusually aggressive, hands-on approach to her office’s investigation into Donald Trump, personally selecting members of a special grand jury and sitting in on questioning while preparing to wage legal war against all-but-certain challenges from the former president and recalcitrant witnesses.

"I feel great about it actually,” Willis told Yahoo News when asked about the selection of a special grand jury that began hearing testimony last week. “So I’m a trial lawyer. And so often, my trial strategy is always pick a diverse jury. I don’t want all Black people. I don’t want all white people. I don’t want all young people.

“If you put that mix of people on there, they’ll keep each other honest,” she added. “This [grand] jury looks like the diversity of my county. And so that’s already a good, smart start. … It’s an inquisitive group. It’s a group that takes the responsibility seriously, and I think Fulton County is in good hands.”

Willis spoke freely in her office for over an hour last Friday, the day after Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger spent five hours testifying before the grand jury and just days before the U.S. House’s Jan. 6 committee begins televised primetime hearings that are expected to once again put Trump’s post-election conduct in the national spotlight.

In the interview, Willis expressed confidence about the direction of her investigation and offered an admittedly optimistic timetable that could lead to a decision on indicting the former president by this fall. She also brushed aside any concerns about expected challenges to the investigation from Trump’s lawyers and Republican state legislators, some of whom have balked at cooperating.

“That’s nothing for prosecutors,” she said when asked about the prospect that there could be challenges to her subpoenas. “Nobody ever wants to come to our party.”

Willis also offered her most full-throated defense yet of her decision to take on the Trump case — a move that has generated criticism from both Trump loyalists and some community leaders in Fulton County who have expressed concerns that it is a diversion from more pressing issues, notably prosecuting violent crime. An elected Democrat who last year took office as the first Black woman to head the district attorney’s office, Willis, 50, cast the investigation as an essential part of a broader national effort to defend the sanctity of voting rights amid Trump’s attempts to sabotage the results of a democratic election.

“I did not choose this. I did not choose for Donald Trump to be on my plate,” she said. But once she discovered, just as she was taking office last year, that Raffensperger was sitting in his Fulton County home when Trump called him and implored him to “find” just enough votes to flip the election results, Willis felt she had no choice. Her father, a former Black Panther turned trial lawyer, had grown up “in the movement” and “since I was a very little bitty girl, you get dragged to the polls.”

"So you understand very, very early on, voting is such an intrinsic right,” she said. “And so I understand how important the infraction on someone’s right to vote is. So I do get the significance.”

While those comments appear to echo the voting rights messaging of many in her party, Willis is a far cry from the progressive prosecutors who have taken office in many other big cities. Instead, she has a reputation as a tough prosecutor (“a force of nature,” one colleague said of her) who has shown no compunction about bringing controversial indictments that have roiled her community. These include a 2014 racketeering case against Black teachers accused of cheating on students’ test scores (when she was a top deputy in the district attorney’s office) or more recent charges against popular local rap stars linked to violent gang activity.

In plotting her strategy for the Trump investigation, Willis is relying on the advice of John Floyd, an acknowledged expert on Georgia’s expansive racketeering law who has helped guide her on previous cases. Once Floyd tutored her on the broad reach of the racketeering law, “I understood what a beautiful tool it was,” Willis said, and “what a great way it was to allow a jury to get to see a whole story.”

It is a law that, experts say, could allow Willis to bring a much broader conspiracy case that goes well beyond the former president’s phone call to Raffensperger to include a wide array of actors, including Trump’s lead lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, who gave demonstrably false testimony before two legislative committees. It could also include GOP state lawmakers who participated in an effort to name an alternative slate of Georgia electors pledged to Trump despite Joe Biden’s narrow victory in the state.

Still, Willis is expressing confidence that she can wrap up the probe and make a decision on an indictment potentially as early as this fall. “I think we could be in and out 90 days,” she said about the work of the special grand jury. “I don’t expect that everything will go perfect, because that’s just not the way life works. And so it may take a little longer. … In a perfect world, I think we can finish in July, August.”

At that point, the special grand jury will prepare a report on its findings and make a recommendation on an indictment. Willis will then make her decision about charging the ex-president and any conspirators — and, if she proceeds, bring the case to a separate regular grand jury for an indictment.

Does the fact that there’s a November election factor into when she makes her decision about charging Trump? “No, not at all,” she said. “It’s not guiding me at all.” She won’t, she says, bring an indictment once early voting in Georgia starts in mid-October. But, she adds, she has plenty of time before that — “and after.”

https://news.yahoo.com/georgia-da-fani-willis-is-confident-as-her-trump-probe-takes-shape-145829588.html

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« Reply #5271 on: June 10, 2022, 01:29:29 PM »
Watch: The Jan. 6 committee plays never-before-seen video footage

The January 6 committee presents a pre-produced, previously unseen video showing the day of Jan. 6, 2021 in chronological order, starting in the morning before the Capitol was breached.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/06/09/new-produced-video-capitol-riot-2022-january-6-hearings-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/the-january-6-hearings/

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