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« Reply #5272 on: June 10, 2022, 02:26:40 PM »
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'Liz Cheney took a flamethrower' to Trump's election lies: CNN legal analyst



The morning after the House Select Committee investigating the Jan 6th insurrection held their first televised hearing on Donald Trump's complicity in inciting the riot at the Capitol building, CNN legal analyst Elie Honig singled out co-chair Liz Cheney's presentation of the facts.

Summing up her performance before a national TV audience, he told CNN "New Day" host John Berman, "Liz Cheney took a flamethrower to the Big Lie."

According to Honig, the committee did a stellar job of tying Trump to the insurrection and applauded the Wyoming Republican for focusing on one specific tweet from the former president as a key piece of evidence that tied their investigation together.

"This was remarkable," the former prosecutor told the New Day host. "Liz Cheney took a flame thrower to the big lie. She proved beyond any question that there's no possible way Donald Trump won this election and he knew it, too, and she used the words of Donald Trump's own people against him which I think is a really important persuasive technique."

"Also this goes to the question of intent," he added. "One of the defenses of Donald Trump is and has been, well, he genuinely believed he won the election so he was just pursuing those remedies which he is entitled to do, but when you see this you find out Bill Barr his loyal attorney general says I told Donald Trump to his face three times you lost and then Jason Miller testimony shows that the data analytics guru told Donald Trump you have lost."

Later host Berman prompted Hoenig, asking, "At 6:01 p.m. on January 6th after he [Trump] spent hours watching a violent mob besiege, attack and invade our capitol, Donald Trump tweeted, but he did not condemn the attack, instead he justified it."

"I thought it was so interesting that Liz Cheney used this particular tweet because we've known about this tweet since Donald Trump sent it at 6:01 p.m. on January 6. I have always felt this is one of the most underrated but important pieces of evidence. We talk about Donald Trump's intent in the lead up to January 6 itself. You want an insight into Donald Trump's intent about the Capitol attack, about what happened that day? Look at this tweet. He sends it hours, just a few hours after the attack is over. they've ransacked the Capitol and what does Donald Trump say? He calls these people, quote, 'great patriots' and he said in a celebratory manner remember this day forever."

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« Reply #5273 on: June 10, 2022, 02:33:35 PM »
Jan. 6 committee already showed enough evidence to charge Trump with crimes: George Conway

George Conway said the first public hearing by the House Select Committee shows there's already enough evidence to prosecute former President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), the panel's ranking Republican, laid out evidence that Trump had a seven-part plan to overturn his election loss that culminated in the deadly assault on the U.S. Capitol by a mob of his supporters, and Conway told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" the Department of Justice should have enough to charge the former president.

"This was a masterful prosecutorial presentation by Rep. Cheney," Conway said. "It was brilliantly done. What it did was it tied together all the various strands of what Donald Trump caused and what he did and his criminal intent. His intent, criminal intent established by people who worked for him, people who were loyal to him, such as Bill Barr, [Jason] Miller, Ivanka and people who worked for the vice president. It was compelling, it was chilling. The videos were chilling, and it was -- I think it is going to be historic."

"I think we often forget, though, it's not just that the audience out there, people who turn on Fox News, turn it off, don't read the newspaper and don't actually expose themselves to things they disagree with, there's an audience at 9th and Pennsylvania that wants to know, or ought to want to know, is this a triable criminal case?" Conway added, referring to the location of the Department of Justice. "I'm hoping that audience was watching closely. I think if they watched what happened last night, if the hearings are continually as high quality as what we saw last night, they're going to conclude, yeah, this is a triable case."

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« Reply #5274 on: June 10, 2022, 03:21:22 PM »
WATCH: Barr, Ivanka Trump say they knew there was no voter fraud in 2020 election

The first public hearing of the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack included video of testimony from former Attorney General Bill Barr and a former Trump campaign lawyer, both of whom detailed conversations with former President Donald Trump in which they told him there was no evidence of 2020 voter fraud.

Republican Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming included clips of the testimony from Barr and former Trump campaign lawyer Alex Cannon along with first daughter Ivanka Trump in her opening statement June 9.

"I saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations," former Attorney General Bill Barr testified to the committee. "But they were made in such a sensational way, that they obviously were influencing a lot of people, members of the public, that there was a system corruption in the system and that their votes didn't count."

Cheney said Trump ignored court rulings, campaign leadership and his own White House staff in his quest to overturn the results of the presidential election."

"President Trump invented millions of dollars of campaign funds, purposely spreading false information," Cheney said.

The hearing June 9 was the first of several planned by the committee investigating the attack on the Capitol. Barr, Cannon and Ivanka Trump's testimony came from some of the more than 1,000 interviews conducted by the committee about what led to the violence that day.

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« Reply #5275 on: June 10, 2022, 11:58:35 PM »
'Trump seemed to sense danger’ after Jan. 6 committee successfully amplified its major allegations: analysis



Donald Trump realizes the danger posed by Thursday's prime-time public hearing of the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol, according to a new analysis by Bloomberg.

"In an age when viral memes and social media conversations shape perceptions, two highlights of Thursday’s session may prove the most durable: Trump Attorney General William Barr and the former president’s daughter Ivanka saying they didn’t believe his claims of a stolen election, and the live testimony of a Capitol Police officer. The officer, who was injured in the melee, described a 'war scene' in which she and her fellow officers were pummeled by rioters and slipping in blood," Mike Dorning and Bill House reported Friday.

"The moments, along with chilling video of Trump supporters clashing with police and a rioter reading a Trump tweet from a bullhorn as insurrectionists charged up the Capitol steps, directly discredit continuing claims the presidential election outcome was illegitimate and efforts by Republican political figures to dismiss the significance of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack," the added.

The hearings were broadcast on all the major networks except Fox News.

"President Trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob and lit the flame of this attack," the Republican vice chair of the panel, Liz Cheney, said in her opening remarks at the first in a series of hotly anticipated summer hearings.

Minutes earlier, Democratic committee chief Bennie Thompson accused Trump of being "at the center of this conspiracy."

"January 6 was the culmination of an attempted coup -- a brazen attempt, as one rioter put it shortly after January 6 -- to overthrow the government. The violence was no accident."

Rioters acted "at the encouragement of the president of the United States," to march on Congress and block the formal transfer of power by lawmakers to Biden, he added.

The panel's carefully produced presentation made use of testimony given behind closed doors by some of Trump's most senior and trusted advisors, including former attorney general Bill Barr and even his daughter Ivanka Trump.

"Trump seemed to sense danger, posting statements on social media [after] the hearing disparaging his daughter as 'checked out' and his former attorney general as 'a coward,'" Dorning and House wrote.

"Bill Barr was a weak and frightened Attorney General who was always being 'played' and threatened by the Democrats and was scared stiff of being Impeached," Trump posted early Friday morning. "The Democrats hit pay dirt with Barr, he was stupid, ridiculously said there was no problem with the Election, & they left him alone. It worked for him, but not for our Country!

"Ivanka Trump was not involved in looking at, or studying, Election results. She had long since checked out and was, in my opinion, only trying to be respectful to Bill Barr and his position as Attorney General (he sucked!)," Trump posted later Friday morning.

The panel aims to demonstrate that the violence was part of a broader -- and ongoing -- drive by Trump and his inner circle to illegitimately cling to or regain power, tearing up the Constitution and more than two centuries of peaceful transitions from one administration to the next.

Thursday's session and five subsequent hearings over the coming weeks will focus on Trump's role in the multi-pronged effort to return him to the Oval Office by disenfranchising millions of voters.

Trump has defiantly dismissed the probe as a baseless "witch hunt" -- but the public hearings were uppermost in his mind Thursday as he fired off a largely false tirade on his social media platform, defending the insurrection as "the greatest movement in the history of our Country to Make America Great Again."

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5276 on: June 11, 2022, 12:36:12 AM »
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Ginni Thomas’ attempt to overturn Trump’s loss was even broader than previously thought: report



Newly released documents show that Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, pressed at least 29 Republican state lawmakers in Arizona — 27 more than previously known — to "choose" presidential electors in an attempt to deny Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 election, The Washington Post reported on Friday.

Previous reports showed that Thomas messaged two Arizona House members in November and December 2020, asking them to overturn Biden's win by choosing the electors.

"Thomas sent the messages using FreeRoots, an online platform intended to make it easy to send pre-written emails to multiple elected officials," The Post reports. "New documents show that Thomas indeed used the platform to reach many lawmakers simultaneously. On Nov. 9, she sent identical emails to 20 members of the Arizona House and seven Arizona state senators. That represents more than half of the Republican members of the state legislature at the time."

The message asked lawmakers to “stand strong in the face of political and media pressure” and claimed that the responsibility to choose electors was “yours and yours alone.” They had “power to fight back against fraud” and “ensure that a clean slate of Electors is chosen,” according to The Post.

In a message to 22 state House members and one state senator on Dec. 13, 2020, Thomas wrote, “Before you choose your state’s Electors … consider what will happen to the nation we all love if you don’t stand up and lead."

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« Reply #5277 on: June 11, 2022, 12:59:51 PM »
Fox 'didn't have a choice' but to bury the J6 hearings — because the evidence implicates their own network: reporter



On Friday's edition of MSNBC's "Deadline: White House," New York Times correspondent Nick Confessore outlined the key reason why Fox News is unable to carry the January 6 Committee hearings on its main network.

Specifically, he argued, the hearings would implicate their own network in inciting the attack on the U.S. Capitol.

"Why does it threaten them so much to show their viewers the truth, the footage of January 6th?" asked anchor Nicolle Wallace.

"Fox didn't have a choice, Nicolle..." said Confessore. "The first reason is that Fox is part of this story. In the wake of the election, Fox promoted claims of election fraud that were not true. The primetime hosts on Fox just relentlessly pushed claims the election was biased or rigged."

"To even show the video we saw last night — forget the commentary, forget the opening remarks from Cheney or Thompson or anyone else — if they just showed the video of those people assaulting officers of the law, breaking windows, it would just put to a lie the story that Fox, you know, their kind of audience has been hearing for a year and a half. They couldn't show it," said Confessore.

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« Reply #5278 on: June 11, 2022, 01:12:02 PM »
DC insider: New revelations show Ginni Thomas 'very much a part of seditious conspiracy'



Ginni Thomas, the right-wing activist and wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, lobbied far more Arizona state lawmakers than previously known to try to overturn the state's 2020 election results—a revelation that reignited calls on Friday for Justice Thomas to recuse himself from cases related to the election.

"As obvious as the symmetry between Clarence and Ginni Thomas' work was three weeks ago, it's even more glaring now."

In addition to emailing two state representatives in November and December 2020, calling on them to "choose" electors who would grant former President Donald Trump a victory in the state, Thomas used a platform called FreeRoots.com to call on 27 other state lawmakers to put aside President Joe Biden's victory. The Washington Post, which first reported the news, obtained the emails Thomas sent via Arizona's public records law.

On November 9, as part of a campaign organized by Every Legal Vote—a group that has supported Trump's "Big Lie" that the election was stolen from him—Thomas sent an email saying the lawmakers must "stand strong in the face of political and media pressure" and claiming they had the "power to fight back against fraud."

"The wife of a sitting Supreme Court justice was very much a part of the seditious conspiracy" that culminated in the January 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol, said Democratic strategist Sawyer Hackett on Friday in response to the new reporting.

Prior to the January 6 rally—which she briefly attended—Thomas also wrote to 22 state House members and one state senator on December 13, a day before they were scheduled to count their votes, warning them to "consider what will happen to the nation we all love if you don't stand up and lead."

"Never before in our nation's history have our elections been so threatened by fraud and unconstitutional procedures," Thomas wrote.

When the letters to two lawmakers were reported by the Post last month, U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) was among the critics who said Thomas's efforts to keep Trump in office represented a "conflict of interest."

Thomas's husband was the lone dissenter earlier this year when the court rejected Trump's bid to block the release of presidential records regarding the January 6 insurrection.

The Thomases have long claimed that they keep their work separate from one another, but journalist Mark Joseph Stern said Friday, "As obvious as the symmetry between Clarence and Ginni Thomas' work was three weeks ago, it's even more glaring now."

Thomas's lobbying of 29 state lawmakers to overrule the will of Arizona voters represented "a completely egregious attack on democracy by the wife of a sitting SCOTUS justice," tweeted Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.).

Friday's revelations come two-and-a-half months after the Post and CBS News obtained text messages that Thomas sent to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows in the weeks following the election, calling on him to "save us from the left taking America down."

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) issued a "friendly reminder that Ginni Thomas has a government position and absolutely should not," referring to her position on the Library of Congress Trust Fund Board, to which Trump appointed her.

"Her egregious actions to push the White House Chief of Staff and others to overturn a free and fair election make her a threat to democracy and should disqualify her for any role of public trust at the Library of Congress or anywhere else in government," said CREW in April.

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« Reply #5279 on: June 11, 2022, 01:26:43 PM »
'This is treason squared': Legal expert aghast Trump tried to keep security forces away from the Capitol



On Friday's edition of MSNBC's "The ReidOut," former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner broke down the significance of new reporting from the January 6 Committee's first day of hearings.

Specifically, Kirschner focused on details of how former President Donald Trump refused to summon a security response to the attack on the Capitol.

"This was a plan, a scheme," said Kirschner. "This was not a riot or a crowd that got overenthusiastic and sort of spun out of control, and I can't wait to see more information in the coming public hearings about the meeting in the Oval Office between Trump, Flynn, Giuliani and Powell. I'm quite sure the J6 committee has some information about that. They are going to present. Last night we sort of got the impression that there were no adults in the room at the time, no lovers of democracy in there to try to keep that — that conspiracy, you know, contained, and we heard, that you know, some people did rush in and when we heard these folks were meeting in the Oval of course, but about an hour after that meeting we got the tweet. The plan had been hatched, and Donald Trump was implementing it. Come to D.C. on January 6th. It will be wild."

"The other word ... that you heard yesterday was war," said Kirschner. "Why does that become important? Well, where is that word prominently featured in the big ugly blue book of federal laws, the United States Code, the crime of treason, and every time I heard war, my mind went back to treason which is a very short and simple statute. Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, like the president, levies war against the United States, is guilty of treason."

The real indication of a crime, Kirschner argued, is Trump's lack of response to what was going on.

"I think what we learned a little bit more about last night was not only did he refuse to call off the attack, he refused to authorize the deployment of any forces to go to the Capitol to fend off the attack, to protect the people in the U.S. Capitol that he set his angry mob on," said Kirschner. "It took an order from Mike Pence, who frankly probably didn't have the authority at that moment, but General Milley said he was insistent. We have to get forces to the Capitol. Mike Pence is no hero. He was protecting his own skin because he was in the Capitol. But you know what, this begins to feel not — not just like treason but like treason squared."

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